NWA to sell it's cargo unit?? Rumor on Yahoo Finance message board

[General Lee]

BTW this NWA cargo rumor has been around for about 2 years at least.

But you lost the DHL contract within the last year. Would you have pulled the plug when DHL was still your customer? Doubt it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Man-o-man...so much crap flyin in this thread....

This may at least provide some rational thoughts on the Cargo situation: Air Cargo World Article

Now, in the interest of getting back to slinging crap....the latest rumors from the NWA board attributed to a DAL management Captain:

• There are plans to use the 767-300ERs as cargo birds, the cargo door STC is ready to go....
• DAL management really likes the A330 and is working with Airbus to buy as many as possible, no deal yet...
• 747-400's are already being flight planned ATL-NRT...
• Some crew bases will be moving...
• DAL is "really interested" in NWA international traffic...(whatever that means)
• Everything agreed to except some NWA redbook grievance issue. Announcement as soon as that is settled.

Now, Sling Away Boys!!!

 

[Diesel-9]

Hope we/they/us look at going back into DFW. Still some 25+ gates available on the E. Think Uncle Richard already has the ball rolling on a number of things.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sounds plausable with the 787 on order. ER would be great and they know that there is money in cargo. I would bid it.

 

[clippyrip]

General, It looks like you know everything and have all the answers, why do you need to spout off on FI? You started a thread that now seems clear was just flame bait for you to open your mouth and be the negative A$$ clown. I have decided that your opinion has no value and will terminate listening to you. You are now blocked.
I know you will reply to this, because that is what someone with 10k posts does. Fortunately, I will sleep well knowing I will never have to read your useless words again. You've been blocked.

Bye Bye.

 

[General Lee]

General, It looks like you know everything and have all the answers, why do you need to spout off on FI? You started a thread that now seems clear was just flame bait for you to open your mouth and be the negative A$$ clown. I have decided that your opinion has no value and will terminate listening to you. You are now blocked.
I know you will reply to this, because that is what someone with 10k posts does. Fortunately, I will sleep well knowing I will never have to read your useless words again. You've been blocked.

Bye Bye.

I just have one question for this guy? Will he BLOCK me? I hope not, or I will start to cry.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Man-o-man...so much crap flyin in this thread....

This may at least provide some rational thoughts on the Cargo situation: Air Cargo World Article

Now, in the interest of getting back to slinging crap....the latest rumors from the NWA board attributed to a DAL management Captain:

• There are plans to use the 767-300ERs as cargo birds, the cargo door STC is ready to go....
• DAL management really likes the A330 and is working with Airbus to buy as many as possible, no deal yet...
• 747-400's are already being flight planned ATL-NRT...
• Some crew bases will be moving...
• DAL is "really interested" in NWA international traffic...(whatever that means)
• Everything agreed to except some NWA redbook grievance issue. Announcement as soon as that is settled.

Now, Sling Away Boys!!!

I hope some of those things work out, and ATL-NRT probably does need a 744. If there are a lot of A330s out there or if they can build a lot ASAP, then maybe we should look at getting more. Why not? If this thing actually comes to fruition, then I hope things flourish.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cpt Oveur]

744s already being planned for ATL-NRT? Enlighten us, who is doing that planning? Where do you see that written down? Why do you say "we should look at getting more" when really it is your company's leadership structure. Is the union going to look at acquiring more airplanes on behalf of the company? Are you in Delta management? I'm asking because I don't know and I'm not going to assume one way or the other.

 

[Superpilot92]

Man-o-man...so much crap flyin in this thread....

This may at least provide some rational thoughts on the Cargo situation: Air Cargo World Article

Now, in the interest of getting back to slinging crap....the latest rumors from the NWA board attributed to a DAL management Captain:

• There are plans to use the 767-300ERs as cargo birds, the cargo door STC is ready to go....
• DAL management really likes the A330 and is working with Airbus to buy as many as possible, no deal yet...
• 747-400's are already being flight planned ATL-NRT...
• Some crew bases will be moving...
• DAL is "really interested" in NWA international traffic...(whatever that means)
• Everything agreed to except some NWA redbook grievance issue. Announcement as soon as that is settled.

Now, Sling Away Boys!!!

That sounds nice.

 

[DTW320]

744s already being planned for ATL-NRT? Enlighten us, who is doing that planning? Where do you see that written down? Why do you say "we should look at getting more" when really it is your company's leadership structure. Is the union going to look at acquiring more airplanes on behalf of the company? Are you in Delta management? I'm asking because I don't know and I'm not going to assume one way or the other.

Uhhhh.....love to help ya there Cpt..but you need to take it up with the DAL management Cpt that supposedly said it. Re-read the post and focus on the phrase "attributed to"...Thanks!

 

[Mr.B]

The General heard it from a "reliable" source. AKA the newspaper. General why dont you wait and see what the MEC tells you instead of being a drama queen about everything you hear/read? The media wants nothing but to stir the pot and you took it hook line and sinker.

Why doesn't he? Because he's a loud-mouthed punk hiding behind a keyboard wishing/hoping he can benefit from the misfortune of others.

 

[General Lee]

Why doesn't he? Because he's a loud-mouthed punk hiding behind a keyboard wishing/hoping he can benefit from the misfortune of others.

Loud-mouthed punk? You can't handle the truth sonny! Misfortune of others? Any result is NEGOTIATED you big dummy. I have nothing to do with it--blame the negotiators. Wow, you are nuts, you putz.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Reebo]

And top 20%? Huh? I said I would be in the top 20 pilots when I retire in 22 years. Big difference.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I guess you'll have no problem bidding those LBB overnites

 

[General Lee]

I guess you'll have no problem bidding those LBB overnites

Thank Gawd we don't go there and probably won't. My 12 years here so far afford me better layovers. A lot better than El Paso, anyway.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Noserider76]

Hope we/they/us look at going back into DFW. Still some 25+ gates available on the E. Think Uncle Richard already has the ball rolling on a number of things.

You're right. DFW was a great operation for DL. They say it was money-losing but really it was mis-managed and flooded with RJs. Closing it was a windfall for AA. Unfortunately Leo and his dirt-bag crew couldn't see anything but ATL. The ultimate short-sighted maneuver was closing DFW, PDX, MCO, and leaving LAX for the buzzards to pick over.

 

[FBN0223]

Back to the subject...NWA Cargo for years was one of the most profitable operations within NWA. At one time those 12 to 14 whales accounted for 10% of NWA revenue. Unfortunately, under the current leadership, NWA Cargo has been severely neglected and the product, as it stands now, is poor at best. Under Anderson, I would think we would all see a substantial improvement in the entire cargo operation. One item that will be welcome IF this merger were to happen...leadership!!!

 

[JAM-BRO]

General

Stop looking at forums for your info. It reflects bad on you. This article might be a better read...

http://www.aircargoworld.com/regions/northam_0108.htm

 

[jetflier]

Well good for you. Instead of attacking me, why don't you seek the truth via your chain of command? I can't do that. Also, why wouldn't the cargo ops be a part of a 38 page power point presentation made by DL/NWA showing why they should merge? It was never mentioned, at all supposedly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

MMMM......I dunno, but it was a DAL presentation, was it by ALPA or management?

 

[jetflier]

But you lost the DHL contract within the last year. Would you have pulled the plug when DHL was still your customer? Doubt it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Our cargo operation existed before DHL and was impacted by carrying the DAL igloos, less of the big stuff,....and we do carry a great deal of the big stuff.

So DHL is not as large of an impact on the operation as you think.

 

[jetflier]

Just for info,...another of our previous CEO's is now and has been running the DHL company, Dasburg>

 

[General Lee]

Just for info,...another of our previous CEO's is now and has been running the DHL company, Dasburg>

How is DHL doing these days? Didn't Dasburg also go to Burger King?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General

Stop looking at forums for your info. It reflects bad on you. This article might be a better read...

http://www.aircargoworld.com/regions/northam_0108.htm

That's great, I hope it works out and does well. But, there are two negatives that you cannot refute. You have lost a large contract (DHL), and your airplanes are gas guzzlers and there is no current replacement. If we merge with you, I hope we keep it and I hope it grows with new airplanes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Get over the DHL contract. It was one flt per day out of ILN. The routing is/was ILN/ANC/NRT/TPE and return. The majority of our freight is non DHL. The freight operation is not going away. There will be new aircraft.

 

[jetflier]

How is DHL doing these days? Didn't Dasburg also go to Burger King?


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

Dasburg went from NWA to Burger King and sold it to friends at TPG (Texas Pacific Group, David Bonderman).

He then mover to the DHL, rumor was he tried to call the Whopper a Dasburger!

 

[NuGuy]

But you lost the DHL contract within the last year. Would you have pulled the plug when DHL was still your customer? Doubt it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Oooops, guess this wasn't true, either. Big surprise...

Source: American Shipper+ Shippers' NewsWire Date Posted: 3/6/2008
9:33:08 AM

DHL extends transpacific flight agreement with NWA Cargo
Northwest Airlines cargo subsidiary NWA Cargo said Thursday it has
reached an agreement to continue providing block space for DHL’s shipments
between Asia and the United States through 2011.
“Northwest Cargo and DHL have enjoyed a long, prosperous
relationship and this new agreement is a reflection of our ongoing
commitment to them as a key customer,” said Tom Bach, president of NWA
Cargo.
Northwest said it is the largest cargo carrier among U.S. passenger
airlines. In addition to carrying freight and international mail on its
passenger aircraft, NWA Cargo operates a fleet of 12 Boeing 747 freighters
dedicated to Pacific operations, connecting Asian gateways through its cargo
hub in Anchorage to markets throughout the United States.

Nu

 

[~~~^~~~]

Looking at NWA's financial reports NWA cargo revenues are down 16.5% from 06 to 07. Delta's are down 0.8% in the same period.

Overall operating revenue for Delta is up 10% in the period, while NWA is down 0.9%.

However, Delta's costs are holding almost steady at a 0.9% decline, while NWA's costs are down 5.8%.

I wish we had a block hour comparison to see if NWA is flying less to explain their declining performance, but I can't find that data.

 

[RJAA]

Back to the subject...NWA Cargo for years was one of the most profitable operations within NWA. At one time those 12 to 14 whales accounted for 10% of NWA revenue. Unfortunately, under the current leadership, NWA Cargo has been severely neglected and the product, as it stands now, is poor at best. Under Anderson, I would think we would all see a substantial improvement in the entire cargo operation. One item that will be welcome IF this merger were to happen...leadership!!!

That is exactly correct. There was a time NWA cargo ruled in US-Japan market but since then, the cargo market has become way competive and saturated with Japanese carriers such as JAL, ANA, NCA leading the market now, they all have bought new B744F airplanes or have converted their B744 passenger airplanes to freighters in recent years. These airplanes skip ANC to the west coast, fly non-stop to Europe. They know there is a trenmendous cargo growth opportunity especially Intra Asia, for example, where ANA could not keep up with it, so they had to contract out Airborne (affiliated to DHL now I guess) to do it for them in NRT. NW pretty much sat on its a$$ and allowed all of this to happen. Completely different envornment now. How much is NW's cargo division worth now with junky-200Fs?? NW even has rights to fly cargo beyond Japan.

 

[erichartmann]

...so they had to contract out Airborne (affiliated to DHL now I guess) to do it for them in NRT.

Not exactly. ABX Air is a seperate publicly traded company. It has an ACMI to haul freight for DHL, ANA, and others.

ABX was the former Airborne's wholly owned subsidiary airline. It was spun off when DHL bought Airborne.

 

[erichartmann]

Oooops, guess this wasn't true, either. Big surprise...

Source: American Shipper+ Shippers' NewsWire Date Posted: 3/6/2008
9:33:08 AM

DHL extends transpacific flight agreement with NWA Cargo
Northwest Airlines cargo subsidiary NWA Cargo said Thursday it has
reached an agreement to continue providing block space for DHL’s shipments
between Asia and the United States through 2011.
“Northwest Cargo and DHL have enjoyed a long, prosperous
relationship and this new agreement is a reflection of our ongoing
commitment to them as a key customer,” said Tom Bach, president of NWA
Cargo.
Northwest said it is the largest cargo carrier among U.S. passenger
airlines. In addition to carrying freight and international mail on its
passenger aircraft, NWA Cargo operates a fleet of 12 Boeing 747 freighters
dedicated to Pacific operations, connecting Asian gateways through its cargo
hub in Anchorage to markets throughout the United States.

Nu

Interesting. I thought I saw some info that suggested DHL had intended to not renew the contract with NW. NW was to be replaced by Polar. Polar was also to replace Transmile (a relatively new developement) flying from RIV to ANC then on to the Pacific rim. I guess the plan right now is to keep NW in place flying out of ILN to ANC and onward, put a Polar whale on the run ILN -ANC that ABX was flying with a 767 and have Polar continue on as a replacement for Transmile out of ANC while ABX replaces Transmile in RIV flying RIV - ANC and feeds one or both. Looks like the RIV nimby's have had an effect.

 

[General Lee]

Oooops, guess this wasn't true, either. Big surprise...

Source: American Shipper+ Shippers' NewsWire Date Posted: 3/6/2008
9:33:08 AM

DHL extends transpacific flight agreement with NWA Cargo
Northwest Airlines cargo subsidiary NWA Cargo said Thursday it has
reached an agreement to continue providing block space for DHL’s shipments
between Asia and the United States through 2011.
“Northwest Cargo and DHL have enjoyed a long, prosperous
relationship and this new agreement is a reflection of our ongoing
commitment to them as a key customer,” said Tom Bach, president of NWA
Cargo.
Northwest said it is the largest cargo carrier among U.S. passenger
airlines. In addition to carrying freight and international mail on its
passenger aircraft, NWA Cargo operates a fleet of 12 Boeing 747 freighters
dedicated to Pacific operations, connecting Asian gateways through its cargo
hub in Anchorage to markets throughout the United States.

Nu

FANTASTIC. You can hardly blame me when I read the article stating DHL dumped you. That is FANTASTIC you have renegotiated the deal with DHL. That is simply FANTASTIC. I think Occam said a rumor was floating out there that if we did merge, some of our 767-300ERs could get a STC for a side cargo door and could be deployed out to ANC to take over the 742 stuff eventually. I wouldn't bid that, but it might be a FANTASTIC opportunity for you.

Bye Bye--General Lee