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"United Airlines will not merge with another carrier unless we ... say it will merge.

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"United Airlines will not merge with another carrier unless we ... say it will merge.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20080222&ID=8231074&Symbol=CAL

"Joseph Prisco, president of Local 9 of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association said unions historically don't get what they want unless they "raise the volume" and take other actions.

"The only way they pay attention is if we're acting up," Prisco said. "Acting up can mean any number of things, and that's as far as I'm going to go."

Some actions that airline employees have sometimes taken in labor disputes are legal, such as working the minimum number of hours."

This is a job action? I think it is simply a right as a laborer in a free society to work no longer than required.

If the min wasn't the min, it wouldn't be the min.

Unfortunately, I think a judge in the last couple of years actually did rule against a union for not picking up open time.
 
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20080222&ID=8231074&Symbol=CAL



This is a job action? I think it is simply a right as a laborer in a free society to work no longer than required.

If the min wasn't the min, it wouldn't be the min.

Unfortunately, I think a judge in the last couple of years actually did rule against a union for not picking up open time.

These must be the six UA mechanics that have not had their work outsourced to Mexico.

PIPE
 
"No Overtime" campaigns

Unfortunately, I think a judge in the last couple of years actually did rule against a union for not picking up open time.

Here's how it was explained several years ago at DAL: Any individual employee is free to decline optional extra work, but if a lot of them suddenly do so at about the same time, the judge may decide that there is "concerted action" afoot, even if the union hasn't said a word. That's when he may rule that a violation of the "status quo" rule has occurred. Apparently, the standard of proof here is not "beyond a reasonable doubt", but "enough to convince the judge".
 
Here's how it was explained several years ago at DAL: Any individual employee is free to decline optional extra work, but if a lot of them suddenly do so at about the same time, the judge may decide that there is "concerted action" afoot, even if the union hasn't said a word. That's when he may rule that a violation of the "status quo" rule has occurred. Apparently, the standard of proof here is not "beyond a reasonable doubt", but "enough to convince the judge".

Tom:
Lets not forget that several "named" pilots were alleged in that case because they were using a "public forum" to present their case to fellow co workers!;)

737
 
Tom:
Lets not forget that several "named" pilots were alleged in that case because they were using a "public forum" to present their case to fellow co workers!;)

737

So we can fly the minimum as long as we don't publicize it?*

*Please disregard the above statement. I was not promoting not picking up open time.**

**Please disregard this statement, too. I was not trying to hide the fact that I was wanting to disregard the not picking up of open time.***







***Oh, never mind.
 
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So we can fly the minimum as long as we don't publicize it?*

*Please disregard the above statement. I was not promoting not picking up open time.**

**Please disregard this statement, too. I was not trying to hide the fact that I was wanting to disregard the not picking up of open time.***



***Oh, never mind.[/quote]

Densoo:
I'm not sure if you're a DAL pilot, but anyone that was here in the summer of 2000 knows exactly what I'm talking about!

737
 
Tom:
Lets not forget that several "named" pilots were alleged in that case because they were using a "public forum" to present their case to fellow co workers!;)

737

737:

Quite true. We can only speculate whether, absent those communications, the ruling would have been different. One thing is certain: with rare exceptions, courts have been an unfriendly place for labor in the last several years.
 
Unions Talk Tough On UA Merger

Unions talk tough on United merger

One leader says workers 'have put on the war paint'


Dave Carpenter, Associated Press
Saturday, February 23, 2008

(02-23) 04:00 PST Chicago --
United Airlines' unions are stepping up their hard-line talk about a possible merger as the carrier stands poised to participate in industry consolidation, warning that management will have to pay a steep price to win their support.
While the militant stance won't necessarily thwart United's hopes of a deal, it foreshadows the likelihood of tough, costly labor negotiations for a company whose employees are as dissatisfied as any airline's workers.
UAL Corp.'s United continues to hold talks with Continental Airlines Inc. about a possible combination, a person familiar with the negotiations said Friday. The specifics remain closely held and both are still awaiting the outcome of negotiations between Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp., according to the source, who was not authorized by the companies to talk about the deal.
United employees are upset about the tens of millions of dollars reaped by the company's executives since the carrier emerged two years ago this month from a bankruptcy restructuring in which they had to swallow substantial pay cuts and other concessions.
The company last month reported its first yearly profit since 2000 - $403 million - and had enough cash to make a $250 million distribution to shareholders. But it has refused to reopen labor contracts, which don't expire until the end of 2009.
The latest evidence of anger came this week when the mechanics' union summed up the stance of the United unions' coalition by declaring that "United Airlines will not merge with another carrier unless we ... say it will merge."
A leader of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association said the unions are "getting ready for a fight" over a United merger proposal, which would give them new leverage on pay and work conditions otherwise locked contractually through 2009.
"All the unions at United have put on the war paint - pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, engineers," said Joseph Prisco, president of Local 9 of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, whose unit represents more than half of United mechanics.
Meanwhile, industry observers say a Delta-Northwest merger could be scuttled by union activity of another kind: pilots unions at the two airlines cannot agree how seniority for the 12,000 pilots would work under a combined carrier.
A person close to the talks said earlier this week that a small group of Northwest pilot negotiators want thousands of young Delta pilots to go to the bottom of the combined seniority list as part of agreeing to a deal. The person said that was a major hang-up.
As of Friday, there was no word on any movement on a pilot seniority deal.
American Airlines is also talking with its unions about a potential merger.
American spokesman Andy Backover said executives met with labor union leaders this week, the latest in a series of meetings stretching back more than a year on topics related to airline consolidation.
The meetings have been subject to a confidentiality agreement, preventing all parties from revealing details of the discussions, Backover told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

 
Unions Talk Tough On UA Merger

Unions talk tough on United merger

One leader says workers 'have put on the war paint'


Dave Carpenter, Associated Press
Saturday, February 23, 2008

(02-23) 04:00 PST Chicago --
United Airlines' unions are stepping up their hard-line talk about a possible merger as the carrier stands poised to participate in industry consolidation, warning that management will have to pay a steep price to win their support.
While the militant stance won't necessarily thwart United's hopes of a deal, it foreshadows the likelihood of tough, costly labor negotiations for a company whose employees are as dissatisfied as any airline's workers.
UAL Corp.'s United continues to hold talks with Continental Airlines Inc. about a possible combination, a person familiar with the negotiations said Friday. The specifics remain closely held and both are still awaiting the outcome of negotiations between Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp., according to the source, who was not authorized by the companies to talk about the deal.
United employees are upset about the tens of millions of dollars reaped by the company's executives since the carrier emerged two years ago this month from a bankruptcy restructuring in which they had to swallow substantial pay cuts and other concessions.
The company last month reported its first yearly profit since 2000 - $403 million - and had enough cash to make a $250 million distribution to shareholders. But it has refused to reopen labor contracts, which don't expire until the end of 2009.
The latest evidence of anger came this week when the mechanics' union summed up the stance of the United unions' coalition by declaring that "United Airlines will not merge with another carrier unless we ... say it will merge."
A leader of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association said the unions are "getting ready for a fight" over a United merger proposal, which would give them new leverage on pay and work conditions otherwise locked contractually through 2009.
"All the unions at United have put on the war paint - pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, engineers," said Joseph Prisco, president of Local 9 of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, whose unit represents more than half of United mechanics.
Meanwhile, industry observers say a Delta-Northwest merger could be scuttled by union activity of another kind: pilots unions at the two airlines cannot agree how seniority for the 12,000 pilots would work under a combined carrier.
A person close to the talks said earlier this week that a small group of Northwest pilot negotiators want thousands of young Delta pilots to go to the bottom of the combined seniority list as part of agreeing to a deal. The person said that was a major hang-up.
As of Friday, there was no word on any movement on a pilot seniority deal.
American Airlines is also talking with its unions about a potential merger.
American spokesman Andy Backover said executives met with labor union leaders this week, the latest in a series of meetings stretching back more than a year on topics related to airline consolidation.
The meetings have been subject to a confidentiality agreement, preventing all parties from revealing details of the discussions, Backover told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
 
Please understand the consequences of the upcoming elections. Judges and Department of Labor and Arbitrators who are all decidedly against Labor are a direct result of eight years of the current admin.

Remember that when you're in the ballot box. It's not only about lower taxes.
 
thank you for saying that- the NMB is just one of hundreds of cabinet positions that affect us- i'd rather pay higher taxes on $300k than lower on $110k
 

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