Jumpseat war has begun

[Tejas-Jet]

Hmmmm...If I was Doug Parker...what would I do about this Jumpseat fiasco?

Hmmmmm....after a few shots of "Jack", I'd restrict all US Airways pilots from using US Airways Jumpseats...for a 30 day period...

...but would keep all reciprical Jumpseat agreements in place.

...it would get the "children" play nice...and it would unify the Pilots....

What do ya think of that plan?

 

[PCL_128]

Hmmmm...If I was Doug Parker...what would I do about this Jumpseat fiasco?

Hmmmmm....after a few shots of "Jack", I'd restrict all US Airways pilots from using US Airways Jumpseats...for a 30 day period...

...but would keep all reciprical Jumpseat agreements in place.

...it would get the "children" play nice...and it would unify the Pilots....

What do ya think of that plan?

Maybe that's possible out in SWAPA land, but ALPA isn't dumb enough to negotiate agreements that would allow that. Section 26 of the AAA agreement prohibits management from changing the jumpseat access policy. The agreement guarantees access to the jumpseat (with approval from the Captain, of course).

 

[FutureHeavyAC]

Hmmmm...If I was Doug Parker...what would I do about this Jumpseat fiasco?

Hmmmmm....after a few shots of "Jack", I'd restrict all US Airways pilots from using US Airways Jumpseats...for a 30 day period...

...but would keep all reciprical Jumpseat agreements in place.

...it would get the "children" play nice...and it would unify the Pilots....

What do ya think of that plan?

Are you drinking Jack? (I am..of course Im off and at the beach). The jumpseat will never be the CEO's call. That seat belongs to the PIC and SIC of that AC and they decide who sits there. If you are a CFI and you get past the TSA and the gate agents and get to me to ask for it....you can sit in my jumpseat

 

[Tomct]

Looks like one of the East USAIR pilots was just denied the J/S on a WEST Aircraft from SFO to CLT. (Which is an original EAST route). Looks like he got denied because he was wearing a USAPA lanyard. Next time I do SEA LAS or LAS SAN or PHX SFO or PHX SLC etc. I will not let a WEST Pilot on the J/S until this is resolved. And what I am hearing , this will be done by many AAA captains.

Let the games begin.

Marty

Typical winney Eastie! It has been said on this board many a times....they should have just let US go into Chptr 7 and picked at the pieces of the dead carcass instead of swooping in and saving your b!tching, whinning Azzes! Just Quit already!! As a Union member, I am ASHAMED to even think you "used to" belong to the same union I do. You sir, are a P.O.S.
And hey, congradulations on showing what TRUE MENTAL GIANTS you and your " ill fitted co-horts" really are.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

First of all, I've stated here many times that I completely oppose any politics entering into the jumpseat. It shouldn't matter in the least what any pilot's views on anything are. If s/he is on the approved jumpseat list s/he should be allowed to ride.

Having said that, the captain is essentially inviting the jumpseater into his/her home and thus a certain decorum is exptected. For instance, one wouldn't step into the cockpit and insult the captain and still expect to be able to ride. For this reason I don't have anything on my flight case political or controversial and I would never bring up a delicate topic. IF I'M JUMPSEATING I AVOID CAUSING TROUBLE!!!!.

Everybody knows darn well the raison d'etre of USAPA is to screw the AWA pilots and that a USAPA lanyard is offensive to us. Wearing the lanyard is a direct insult. Now, why in the heck would you expect us to let you on the jumpseat when you insult us?

The solution to this problem is simple: YOU need to take the politics out of the situation. If an Eastie wishes to jump on an AWA plane take off the lanyard.

thanksl for saving 5 mins! good post!

 

[JoeMerchant]

thanksl for saving 5 mins! good post!

.....so should an ALPA cheerleader take off his ALPA lanyard before he asks for a ride from a USAPA supporter?....Where does it end with the "don't offend me if you want to ride"....???

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

.....so should an ALPA cheerleader take off his ALPA lanyard before he asks for a ride from a USAPA supporter?....Where does it end with the "don't offend me if you want to ride"....???

Fair is Fair... Take off your ALPA Lanyard. I think that would be appropriate. If you're a commuter the first rule of the JS is "I will not offend."

 

[JoeMerchant]

Fair is Fair... Take off your ALPA Lanyard. I think that would be appropriate. If you're a commuter the first rule of the JS is "I will not offend."

I agree...however I think it is stupid to make anyone take off their lanyard to get a ride.....ALPA lanyards, Obama lanyards, or Rez. for ALPA President lanyards....silly lanyards, but I'm not going to make you take them off....That is an opportunity to lose an ID.....and while I don't agree with your politics, I don't want you to lose your ID.

Most of the ALPAista chest thumpers think this is a one way street....."Don't offend me.....it is my job to offend you".......

 

[Bringupthebird]

.....so should an ALPA cheerleader take off his ALPA lanyard before he asks for a ride from a USAPA supporter?....Where does it end with the "don't offend me if you want to ride"....???

How about "don't offend me if you want a ride". No one has a right to a jumpseat. It's a courtesy. If you choose to live or vacation somewhere that requires a jumpseat, then you give up the right to flaunt your views without restriction. You can buy a 310 and fly yourself to work with as much yellow crap as you can fit in the door. But if you're depending on someone else, you'd better be able to live by their rules or wait for the next seat outta Dodge.

So many people fail to see this for the war that it is. There is no neutral ground. One side is prepared to use it's numbers to force it's warped view of fairness on a much smaller group and in the process jeopardize everyone's future. There was a legitimate legal process that both sides agreed to and that process played out to the end. Then, the so-called losing side flipped over the checker board and pulled out a pistol (in the form of an ill-timed representation vote) deciding that it would make the rules now.

So don't sound so shocked that somebody is forced to call scheduling unable to make their report. This war was unilaterally declared and it is naieve to think that no one will be affected by it.

 

[fam62c]

I'm glad I don't work for USAirways. This kind of division within a company will poison the whole operation.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I agree...however I think it is stupid to make anyone take off their lanyard to get a ride.....ALPA lanyards, Obama lanyards, or Rez. for ALPA President lanyards....silly lanyards, but I'm not going to make you take them off....That is an opportunity to lose an ID.....and while I don't agree with your politics, I don't want you to lose your ID.

Most of the ALPAista chest thumpers think this is a one way street....."Don't offend me.....it is my job to offend you".......

You are missing the point butter fingers... go pop another bag of popcorn....


the USAIR guys had no problem with ALPA until the Nic award that they agreed to... that they were told was not going to be in thier favor, was awarded...

Now, like a spoiled brat, they are calling BS....

There is nothing "wrong" with ALPA. So why should ALPA offend? All of ALPA didn't cause Eastie pain. Eastie caused Easetie pain.

USAPA? It is simply a way for spoiled brats to ruin it for everyone. The stubbed toe theory... if someone stubbs thier toe they won't be happy until everyone in the room stubs thier toe too....

Why should we stub our toes just so the USAPA guys can be misreably happy?

That is why the USAPA lanyard offends.

 

[Deadalus]

Looks like one of the East USAIR pilots was just denied the J/S on a WEST Aircraft from SFO to CLT. (Which is an original EAST route). Looks like he got denied because he was wearing a USAPA lanyard. Next time I do SEA LAS or LAS SAN or PHX SFO or PHX SLC etc. I will not let a WEST Pilot on the J/S until this is resolved. And what I am hearing , this will be done by many AAA captains.

Let the games begin.

Marty

That's brilliant. This was the actions of one individual. Just last week we had an East jump seater on the flight deck who lives in SEA. Would you like us to screw him because of what one person did. We were courteous and professional and he rode on the jump seat. USAPA vs ALPA should stay in the trenches and out of the flight deck.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs. Those pilots in my view are direct replacement pilots for all the furloughs AAA has endured.
Marty

I'm denying you the jumpseat for being an idiot.:beer:

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I'm glad I don't work for USAirways. This kind of division within a company will poison the whole operation.

No kidding....buttering up the popcorn...got a good seat to watch the USAPA vs ALPA show.

Hillary vs Obama ain't got nothing on this one....

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Maybe that's possible out in SWAPA land

Really??? I can't recall something like that ever happening here.

Remember...it was just a suggestion so that the children could maybe play nice with each other....