FOCUS: Mid level and junior NWA are toast. DAL will hold all WB upgrades in 5 years.

[jetflier]

Yup, thats what will happen with a percentage merge of the NWA/DAL seniority list.

There is not enough pay and bennies to get the NWA pilots on board with this deal.

NWA doesn't need DAL to survive, I hope the deal tanks!

 

[michael707767]

Yup, thats what will happen with a percentage merge of the NWA/DAL seniority list.

There is not enough pay and bennies to get the NWA pilots on board with this deal.

NWA doesn't need DAL to survive, I hope the deal tanks!

reverse it. A DOH merger would mean all the WB upgrades for a long, long time will go to NWA pilots. How's that fair?

 

[CALRepublic]

Here we go.

let the diagreements between the DL and NW guys begin. I hope its a little more civilized than the US/AW guys.

 

[SellingDirt]

Merger won't happen for this very reason....In fact, it will cool the entire industries mania to merge.

 

[Diesel-9]

And probably easier and shorter than the UAL/CAL deal would be. Good Luck if that happens. That could be an event to watch .

 

[AA717driver]

I STILL can't figure out why we don't have a National Seniority List... TC

 

[dbrownie]

Yup, thats what will happen with a percentage merge of the NWA/DAL seniority list.

Mid level and junior NWA are toast?

Mid level and junior have been "toasted" by senior

NWA for years.

We are used to it.

I welcome a clean slate. A couple of more years

of pain.... so what.

Dave B

 

[abe44]

Merger won't happen for this very reason....In fact, it will cool the entire industries mania to merge.

Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but if the money folks want this merger to happen, it'll happen.

It looks like the pilots have some sort of veto power, but don't kid yourself. The BOD's and creditors want this merger to go smoothly and thery're willing to pay for our help (and delay the announcement). But if we can't come to an agreement, this thing goes through the old fashioned way.

Which means the senority lists will get merged the old fashioned way(arbitrator). It won't be DOH, by the way. But it probably won't be straight relative senority either.

And as far as the money and raises go...we'll get to negotiate those the old fashioned way. Because without an agreement now, that money disappears.


Abe

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Similar thing was figured out with the AA/TWA list merge with something like DOH.

Although it wouldn't have been for many years, but eventually down the road, most of the 777 Captain slots would be former TWA guys due to the amount of mid/early twentysomethings hired when TWA was scraping to survive.

There were other issues too, like the short haul STL flying that disappeared courtesy of AA's "skilled" management. DL/NWA will face a similar problem with MEM,CVG or DTW on the chopping block despite what the spin machine says.

 

[abe44]

Similar thing was figured out with the AA/TWA list merge with something like DOH.

You're joking, right??


Abe

 

[Beetle007]

I'm surprised airlines rarely use/agree to last-offer arbitration.

In last-offer arbitration, each party makes a proposal to the arbitrator, and the arbitrator picks the most reaonable proposal.

Because each party attempts to make a reasonable proposal there is good chance of an agreement before it is even sent to the arbitrator for the final decision.

 

[jke406]

That would only work with two parties negotiating rationally and reasonably. Not going to happen with airline pilots.

 

[Beetle007]

How many pilots has delta hired post 9-11?

 

[Noserider76]

Yup, thats what will happen with a percentage merge of the NWA/DAL seniority list.

There is not enough pay and bennies to get the NWA pilots on board with this deal.

NWA doesn't need DAL to survive, I hope the deal tanks!

I'm with you that I hope the deal tanks as well but I think the decision has been made and they'll do it without our cooperation if they have to.

I understand your concerns about losing what you see as your future upgrades. Believe me, no one here is jumping up and down saying "I can't wait to jump into the 747 or A330." I don't want your upgrade. We just want to keep what we see as the opportunity in the much larger number of high paying positions we bring to the table and we want downside protection in the event of total DC-9 failure.

Hopefully they can come up with a deal that protects your people on your equipment and ours on our equipment.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Well, it's Friday and where's the announcement?? I think this deal is dead.........thank god.