Most expensive fractional?

[MALSR]

Just curious, who is the most expensive fractional from an owners perspective? Anyone know?

 

[fischman]

NetJets is.

BTW, we have the largest market share as well.

 

[Some guy]

You have to define most expensive. Every fractional owner has their own perspective when it comes to what they value in a service. What are you looking for in a fractional? If you are talking price only, then NetJets is probably the most expensive in dollar amount. What are the recovery times of the fractionals when you have a mechanical? If you have a mechanical, and operator A can recover your flight in 10 hours versus operator B who can recover in 1, then A could be the most expensive if you are trying to make it to an important business meeting.

A better question might be "Which fractional has the best value for my money?"

SG

 

[FR8DOG777]

Flops

For sure it is Flight Options CUZ IF WE AIN"T LATE WE AIN"T COMING.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

NetJets is. [/e quote]

Not true. Prices may have recently changed, however, 12 months ago CS was more expensive than NJ's on all similiar aircraft types. A share on an XL or Sovereign at CS would have cost you more than a share at NJ. I saw this market research on paper by an independent market analysis team. NJ has a wider fleet and so I believe they can command and do command top dollar for all of thier unique fleet types. I also agree that they would have the best percieved market value due to PHENOMINAL recovery times. (This was also present in the market analysis) Prices may have recently changed as this research is about a year old, but NJ is not always the most expensive when comparing similiar a/c types.

 

[jonjuan]

NetJets is.

Who told you this? Management? Not accurate.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

BTW, I was once told CS was able to pull this off by being extremly accomodating to owners on schedule changes. This went out of the window when we implented hard written duty rules for the flight crews. CS used to very accomodating to the owners at the exspense of the QOL of the flightcrew.

 

[jonjuan]

You have to define most expensive. Every fractional owner has their own perspective when it comes to what they value in a service. What are you looking for in a fractional? If you are talking price only, then NetJets is probably the most expensive in dollar amount. What are the recovery times of the fractionals when you have a mechanical? If you have a mechanical, and operator A can recover your flight in 10 hours versus operator B who can recover in 1, then A could be the most expensive if you are trying to make it to an important business meeting.

A better question might be "Which fractional has the best value for my money?"

SG

Exactly and to further this, which fractional has a larger demand placed on its fleet by more users. Remember, demand increases exponentially when owner demand increases. Owner demand increases when aircraft are increasingly divided into more parts. Operationally, it's much more difficult to manage 32-owners per aircraft (25-hour cards) than 16 (fractional) as each demand event potentially has a repositioning event (both crew and aircraft), mechanical, and recovery. Age of fleet also factors in significantly as well as overall dispatch reliability of a particular aircraft type. A 13 year old CX or Ultra certainly has a lower dispatch reliability (which in turn drives last minute recovery) than a 2-3 year old Gulfstream, for example. One reason why FLOPs is moving toward newer aircraft. They found their older aircraft (and newer beechjets) had a lower dispatch reliability rate. NJA is moving toward that as they now keep aircraft in their fleet for 13 years. Older aircraft simply break more frequently which leads to more tail number changes communicated to owners (which many don't like).

 

[pilotyip]

That is why they call us when they can't meet their owners demand. USA Jet to the rescue. They must like us a lot they are coming back for their renewal inspection.

 

[fischman]

Not true. Prices may have recently changed, however, 12 months ago CS was more expensive than NJ's on all similiar aircraft types. A share on an XL or Sovereign at CS would have cost you more than a share at NJ. I saw this market research on paper by an independent market analysis team. NJ has a wider fleet and so I believe they can command and do command top dollar for all of thier unique fleet types. I also agree that they would have the best percieved market value due to PHENOMINAL recovery times. (This was also present in the market analysis) Prices may have recently changed as this research is about a year old, but NJ is not always the most expensive when comparing similiar a/c types.

Who told you this? Management? Not accurate.

I'm not going to argue you guys on this.

It is accurate.