ASA Flight Control FREQ

[fltdspx]

Rumor has it at the G.O. that 131.15 will not make the move to the new G.O. which was the old Eastern hanger. ACARS and Delta radio will be the primary source of communication

 

[ASA DX]

Rumor has it at the G.O. that 131.15 will not make the move to the new G.O. which was the old Eastern hanger. ACARS and Delta radio will be the primary source of communication

heard that myself also co-worker...you know the FAA was in here on dayshift, and rwy incursion is a hot topic right now. i think that they think with our a/c trying to monitor our freq. and the tower freq and they think that is operationally unsafe....so we will see later. pm me with your info..

 

[John Pennekamp]

So what about non-ACARS airplanes like the ATRah? Should we just call Delta Radio every time we need to check the wx or amend a release? What does that cost, $10 per call? What a dumb idea.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

So what about non-ACARS airplanes like the ATRah? Should we just call Delta Radio every time we need to check the wx or amend a release? What does that cost, $10 per call? What a dumb idea.

Might cost a bit more in the short term, but the ATRs are going away anyway.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Hmm, so ASA can't just keep the antenna on the roof of the crystal palace, lease the space. They can run a cord to the new building, wouldn't that just be cheaper than using delta radio. That is going to slow this place down to a grinding halt. I'm not wasting my cell phone minutes to call my dispatch desk.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hmm, so ASA can't just keep the antenna on the roof of the crystal palace, lease the space. They can run a cord to the new building, wouldn't that just be cheaper than using delta radio. That is going to slow this place down to a grinding halt. I'm not wasting my cell phone minutes to call my dispatch desk.

You're so disgruntled. Have you been flying with that jerk WF? Faruzzi!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

trying to monitor our freq. and the tower freq and they think that is operationally unsafe....

IT IS!!

There is NO reason at all when after leaving the gate until out of 10K on departure, or on arrival, upon entering TRACON airspace until parking at the gate, that anyone should "monitor company freq". This is why there are "incursions, landing on wrong runways, landing and taking off withou clearances, altitude deviations in TRACON airspace, etc. PERIOD!!! Until you are in Center's airspace, autopilot on etc, BOTH pilots need to be on ONE frequency, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. This crap about monitoring company freq is BS. During my ASA tenure, I instructed all of my FO's to do just that. As soon as we were talking to GND, that is it, ATC only, #2 radio is off. If company wants you they can relay through ATC for you to call company. Maintenance pops up, QRH first then find a place to park and call maint. After landing is probably the most important. Until you are off GND and talking to Ron on the ramp,
there should only be one radio on, ATC.

 

[John Pennekamp]

And here's an idea. How about eliminating the "call scheduling" when calling in range... as was supposed to happen over a year ago. If the FAA wants to crack down on non essential communications during critical phases of flight, that would be a good place to start. It's very distracting wondering during the approach how you're about to get bent over without even a reach around.

 

[John Pennekamp]

IT IS!!

There is NO reason at all when after leaving the gate until out of 10K on departure, or on arrival, upon entering TRACON airspace until parking at the gate, that anyone should "monitor company freq". This is why there are "incursions, landing on wrong runways, landing and taking off withou clearances, altitude deviations in TRACON airspace, etc. PERIOD!!! Until you are in Center's airspace, autopilot on etc, BOTH pilots need to be on ONE frequency, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. This crap about monitoring company freq is BS. During my ASA tenure, I instructed all of my FO's to do just that. As soon as we were talking to GND, that is it, ATC only, #2 radio is off. If company wants you they can relay through ATC for you to call company. Maintenance pops up, QRH first then find a place to park and call maint. After landing is probably the most important. Until you are off GND and talking to Ron on the ramp,
there should only be one radio on, ATC.

Agreed, I always turn down #2 during critical phases of flight. Especially ops after calling in range. All of that chatter on 130.32 is very distracting. But a lot of FOs, especially new ones get uPset over this because IT IS FAA REQUIRED TO MONITOR! OH GOD, WE'RE GONNA GET VIOLATED IF THEY TRY TO CALL US!!!

 

[sweptback]

And here's an idea. How about eliminating the "call scheduling" when calling in range... as was supposed to happen over a year ago. If the FAA wants to crack down on non essential communications during critical phases of flight, that would be a good place to start. It's very distracting wondering during the approach how you're about to get bent over without even a reach around.

What's comical is that ops won't tell you your connecting gate and ship number because of "sterile cockpit", but will be the first to gleefully tell you to call scheduling. I just ignore them and read back everything but that.

Funny, don't I have to be notified by my company of a schedule change? Last I checked, my company isn't telling me what gate to park at anymore.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What's comical is that ops won't tell you your connecting gate and ship number because of "sterile cockpit", but will be the first to gleefully tell you to call scheduling. I just ignore them and read back everything but that.

Funny, don't I have to be notified by my company of a schedule change? Last I checked, my company isn't telling me what gate to park at anymore.

I don't even read back the gate when they do that.

And yes, your company has to notify you. Delta is not our company, so I just ignore them. Non essential communications during a critical phase of flight? No message received.

 

[OpsCheckGood]

I turn both radio's off when I get below 10,000. All that chatter makes me nervous, and it makes it impossible to hear my I-pod

 

[fltdspx]

Most of the dispatcher don't want 131.15 anyway.. 1/3 of the conversation is actually for operation 1/3 is used by crew sked. and 1/3 is complaints so really it sounds like you all don’t' use it unless you need to complain. Besides the other night when Brad Holt was in flight control he seems to think that the radio is a good tool for us ( dispatchers ) to be able to get our flights to find out where they are because no one is calling us after the normal 30min taxi time has elapsed so he thinks all we have to do is get on the radio and call you guys but after reading a few msgs. most of you don't bother tuning it in anyway.. Things that make you go mmmmm

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I don't really understand the 30 minute call. Where do you think we've gone? Off in a ditch somewhere?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Most of the dispatcher don't want 131.15 anyway.. 1/3 of the conversation is actually for operation 1/3 is used by crew sked. and 1/3 is complaints so really it sounds like you all don’t' use it unless you need to complain. Besides the other night when Brad Holt was in flight control he seems to think that the radio is a good tool for us ( dispatchers ) to be able to get our flights to find out where they are because no one is calling us after the normal 30min taxi time has elapsed so he thinks all we have to do is get on the radio and call you guys but after reading a few msgs. most of you don't bother tuning it in anyway.. Things that make you go mmmmm

BC, you don't seem to have high regard for pilots. You might want to think over the disrespectful statements you're making about us if you want us to respect and cooperate with you.

 

[shamrock]

Most of the dispatcher don't want 131.15 anyway.. 1/3 of the conversation is actually for operation 1/3 is used by crew sked. and 1/3 is complaints so really it sounds like you all don’t' use it unless you need to complain. Besides the other night when Brad Holt was in flight control he seems to think that the radio is a good tool for us ( dispatchers ) to be able to get our flights to find out where they are because no one is calling us after the normal 30min taxi time has elapsed so he thinks all we have to do is get on the radio and call you guys but after reading a few msgs. most of you don't bother tuning it in anyway.. Things that make you go mmmmm

It good to hear things from the other side of the airport and all, but that there is a 70+ word run-on sentence. Stream-of-conciousness ideas are great but not all of us dum pylots can pay attention long enough to decipher what you're saying.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't really understand the 30 minute call. Where do you think we've gone? Off in a ditch somewhere?

All the 30 minute call does is jam up the frequency and prevent important conversations.

Look out the damn window. See that money line 20 deep. We're in it. Your ASD will show you when we take off.

 

[Medeco]

Most of the dispatcher don't want 131.15 anyway.. 1/3 of the conversation is actually for operation 1/3 is used by crew sked. and 1/3 is complaints so really it sounds like you all don’t' use it unless you need to complain. Besides the other night when Brad Holt was in flight control he seems to think that the radio is a good tool for us ( dispatchers ) to be able to get our flights to find out where they are because no one is calling us after the normal 30min taxi time has elapsed so he thinks all we have to do is get on the radio and call you guys but after reading a few msgs. most of you don't bother tuning it in anyway.. Things that make you go mmmmm

Those are big assumptions. Just like you would not want me to put all dispatchers in one group such as "crew haters", you should not assume 10 to 20 pilots on FI translates into 1700 pilots at ASA not tuning up 131.15 leaving the gate.

Its another tool, when needed and if the BS talk begins and I'm in a critical phase of operation then I turn it down, sometimes I turn it up for a good laugh.

Medeco

 

[fltdspx]

All the 30 minute call does is jam up the frequency and prevent important conversations.

Look out the damn window. See that money line 20 deep. We're in it. Your ASD will show you when we take off.

We will not be able to look out the window when we move to the new G.O. don't get me wrong I am all for getting rid of the freq.however that doesn't seem like that will happen from what I hear now. This has all started up because of the de-ice problems the other week in ATL. there were flts out for 2-4 hrs before thay got off the ground. some of the fltswould not answer the ACARS nor there radio and Brad wanted to know where certain flts were and we had no answer for him.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Fltdspx,

Once the dispatcher has been advised that we have been waiting for T/O or a gate for over 30 mins what options/tools can you help us with? Unless we are getting close to MINF for T/O or near running empty waiting for a gate there is very little you can do for us especially during IROPS which we are propabaly in at that point.