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Age 65 litigation

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Age 65 maybe under the gun


Senior airline pilots in the US are challenging new legislation that allows them to continue flying until age 65, calling the law "unconstitutional and unenforceable." The Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act, which President George W. Bush signed last month (ATWOnline, Dec. 17, 2007), is not retroactive and does not include any provisions for pilots who turned 60 prior to passage. In addition to raising the retirement age, the legislation requires older pilots to have a first class medical certificate renewed every six months and to participate in FAA pilot training programs. Pilots forced to retire before the law went into effect could be rehired but would lose seniority.
"The new law is poorly written and expressly denies carriers the right to treat older pilots fairly, even countermanding prior contractual positions between pilots and their companies," according to George Washington University's Jonathan Turley, who represents the Senior Pilots Coalition. Turley is seeking an injunction that would void the law. "In my view, the law can be challenged in federal court on a number of grounds," he said, ticking off a list of antidiscrimination clauses. "Obviously, the best outcome would be a legislative fix. Congress clearly enacted this law with little understanding of its implications or inevitable litigation."
 
Wait - this can't happen! The change was inevitable. ALPA was against it before it was for it! or something like that.

Wait until the airlines reduce retirement benefits.... We will have to pay higher dues just to pay the lawyers to defend the flurry of lawsuits.
 
Doesn't sound like they want the entire law repealed, they just want the part that keeps them from coming back with their seniority intact amended.

Everyone knew this lawsuit was coming, with, ot without, any merit.
 
Doesn't sound like they want the entire law repealed, ...

They can't cut a deal with the judge and Turley said it needed legislative fixing. I'd bet they will try and get the poorly written law tossed. He says he is trying to void it.

Plus he cited a 'number of grounds' to challenge the law. This is only chapter one of the age 65 drama.
 
Ahhh... seniority, right.

They can come back at the bottom. After all, they retired. If they want to come out of retirement, sorry chief... right seat awaits.

Didn't UndauntedFlyer say something along the lines of coming back and swing gear in A320's at UAL anyway because it's not all about the money? There's his chance. Too bad he'll have to give up his PBGC payment while he's employed.

They don't like it? Too bad... Emirates is hiring. They don't have a seniority system there.
 
Ahhh... seniority, right.

They can come back at the bottom. After all, they retired.

They were forced to retire because of an unconstitutional law. Losing seniority because of it is age discrimination. At least, that's the arguement.

Here's a recap of ALPA's objectives:

1. appropriate language to prevent retroactive application of a change to the rule,

2. appropriate language to ensure stronger liability protection for airlines and pilot unions in implementing a change to the rule,

3. assurances that FAA normal retirement age language in certain defined benefit plans would not cause a cutback in accrued benefits

4. opposition to any additional age-related diagnostic medical testing,

5. any attempt by the FAA to obtain greater access to medical pilot records, and

6. support of FAA Air Surgeon Fred Tilton’s recommendation to require a first class medical certification every six months for pilots over age 60, and

7. appropriate language , modeled on Akaka bill, which requires the PBGC to calculate pilot pension benefits as though they worked to the more traditional retirement age of 65.

Source: http://alpa.org/DesktopModules/ALPA...sView.aspx?itemid=8375&ModuleId=8300&Tabid=73


So here's my question: If the law is voided, so are the liability protections for ALPA and the airlines. What exposure do they have if these 60+ guys sue for their jobs with pay and seniority? AND, shouldn't ALPA be going to bat for them? Still think 65 was a good idea?
 
we need Rez O Lushen to tell us how were all sh!tbags for not volunteering 40 hours/wk at ALPA and how ALPA always knows what's best for stupid pilots, including age 65.

after my ALPA lobotomy from Rez, I'm ready to chant, "Age 65 is good for me" in zombie-like fashion from now until pay restoration (or eternity, which will certainly come first).

THANK YOU, ALPA!!!!! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?
 
Easy solution, when the pilot turns 60, he has 2 choices...

1. retire as planned

2. go back to the bottom of the seniority list as the bottom seniority number (like a new hire).

This keeps the pilot upgrades flowing (as planned), and gets rid of the guys that dont really want to work.

Kind of like the Herpes at UAL. They had jobs, just not captain seats.
 

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