Some Fool at Flex

[PilotGuy]

I see some fool thanked Flex Management for the pay raise which doesn't even go into effect for 3 1/2 months. Well please try not to suck it too hard.

Thanks go to the Netjet Pilots, 1108, and every Flex Pilot that has and still pushes hard for representation everyday.


Thanks Guys, all of you. Again

 

[On Your Six]

I see some fool thanked Flex Management for the pay raise which doesn't even go into effect for 3 1/2 months. Well please try not to suck it too hard.

Thanks go to the Netjet Pilots, 1108, and every Flex Pilot that has and still pushes hard for representation everyday.


Thanks Guys, all of you. Again

Amen! Someone else on these boards said it best:

YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU DESERVE. YOU GET WHAT YOU NEGOTIATE. All contract improvements in this entire industry can be attributed to collective bargaining. The Netjets union was the driving force for change that started this domino effect - that is undeniable. Don't ever think management will look out for your best interests before they look out for theirs...

 

[JokerFuel]

All we got was a bag of promises, and a raise that wont happen until may. Hold your breath and wait for the rest.

 

[SDCFI]

Boo!

You have to hand it to management, they knew exactly what they had to give to quell the union drive and they came out and did it. There are still a lot of folks here who are upset with floating rest, crew meals, and of course gateways so there may still be hope though.

 

[On Your Six]

This package is good if you never want to leave Dallas (die-hard Texan) and you are on a diet (crew meals don't matter).

 

[Inigo Montoya]

That guy is an idiot and should be beaten in an alleyway. Talk about suck up. I'm glad that money is the most important thing for him.

he should be thanking all of his fellow pilots who stuck their neck out and fought publically for better pay.

 

[luckydog]

He's a 300 FO that according to the last list hadn't upgraded for some reason.
Things might be a little different when he decides to step up. He sounds like he's ready and waiting to answer those 1 am calls to go fly. I hope he still thanks Mr. Gross every time the phone rings.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Why don't you guys post these responses on the BB where your identity isn't secret? Or, just sign your name on here. At least he was man enough not to hide behind some thread here on FI.com.

 

[AirChef]

Pilot Guy or (G.N.), how do you still have access to the Blue Belly?

Going to have to look into this.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Why don't you guys post these responses on the BB where your identity isn't secret? Or, just sign your name on here. At least he was man enough not to hide behind some thread here on FI.com.

Are you kidding me? man enough to tell DG he threw his union info in the trash? how did that take any balls?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Why don't you guys post these responses on the BB where your identity isn't secret? Or, just sign your name on here. At least he was man enough not to hide behind some thread here on FI.com.

Yeah, it takes a real man to pat DG on the back on the BB.

If you haven't noticed, more than a few people have been airing their complaints on the company message board lately. And don't mistake our latest raise as Flex's benevolence. If NJ's doesn't raise the standard, our leadership doesn't answer. It's just part of being best in class service.

 

[captboy2001]

i think the guy did a good deed. 15-23000 increase is pretty good....the company is showing signs of better things to come....i know its not May yet but its a good start....no matter who you work for someone will always complain....its not a perfect world....and it didnt take money out of our pocket to pay a union to get the new rates...if we had a union it would probally take a few years to get what we are instead of a few months....

 

[V1 Rotate]

I knew this was coming. Before you toss me into the "Kool-Aid" club, let me just say that I think the point of his post was his appreciation for what we did receive. What a concept! Comments like his may carry more weight than the typical management bashing that seems to be working so well <sarcasm>. I want all the things from FlexJet that you do too, and I think we deserve more than we received. Just calm down. Calling this guy a "Fool" behind his back and naming a thread in his "honor," is rather cowardly.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

I also dont think it was good form for him to brag about a 30% raise while the 10 year guys got 7%

 

[V1 Rotate]

You can't honestly believe that it was going to be 30% across the board, can you? You're probably one of the first to say we need to attract "quality pilots," I think a 30% raise helps in that department. I don't think he was bragging either. If he wanted to brag, he would've posted his comments on here, to non FlexJet employees, not the BB where a lot of pilots received the raise. We can argue this all day long, and it's totally pointless to do so, since neither of us will change the other's mind. I just thought it was pretty low to call someone a fool, and to do so by hiding their identity in here, when those of us that have access to the BB and know his name. Kind of shameless and classless that personal attacks take place like this. Just agree to disagree. Want to be treated like a professional, then act like one.

 

[imacdog]

i think the guy did a good deed. 15-23000 increase is pretty good....the company is showing signs of better things to come....i know its not May yet but its a good start....no matter who you work for someone will always complain....its not a perfect world....and it didnt take money out of our pocket to pay a union to get the new rates...if we had a union it would probally take a few years to get what we are instead of a few months....

What you're saying is you're happy with other pilot groups putting in the effort for your gain.

 

[doylehargraves]

I'll be the first to say that, yes, they did come through on the monetary side of the issues; however, they didn't even touch anything else. The entire thing was about MONEY. The one thing that DG has still failed to understand is that it wasn't about money. I think we can all agree that the ROLLING REST problem at Flexjet IS the biggest problem here. Hopefully they can do something about that this year and, hopefully it's not just a band-aid like the lame 1st day rule they implemented. In fact, it's not even a "rule", its an extra $200 for getting up at 2am in the morning. Again, throwing money at the problem instead of finding a true solution. My card is still in.

 

[Bird brain]

I would personally like to thank this guy for his excellent negotiating skills, way to stick together with your fellow pilots bro! And don't forget the more you make, the more you get taxed! Money ain't everything! Quality of life is priceless!

 

[Ludicris]

All we got was a bag of promises, and a raise that wont happen until may. Hold your breath and wait for the rest.

I'm already turning blue....

 

[hammer2]

My 7&7 schedule????? TBD!!!!

 

[Skytaxi]

i think the guy did a good deed. 15-23000 increase is pretty good....the company is showing signs of better things to come....i know its not May yet but its a good start....no matter who you work for someone will always complain....its not a perfect world....and it didnt take money out of our pocket to pay a union to get the new rates...if we had a union it would probally take a few years to get what we are instead of a few months....

Man you are stupid! You think if NJ had not received the new TA you would have received that big raise??? Because they have a Union YOU got more money. It can be taken away as easily as it was given.

 

[Ref]

I will be sure to bow to you when I see you for the raise. NOT
I am already tired of hearing we should thank every netjets guy we see.

 

[notapilot]

Ref you know nothing. You have been with Flexjet for what 6 months? You should be thankful to everyone at Netjets for your increase. You should also be thankful to those at Flexjet that have the courage to stick their necks out for your raise. Show some respect.

 

[JokerFuel]

Exactly!!!! If it weren't for the NJA guy's we'd have squat. All we did was inherit the good fortune of anothers merit. Still you cannot cash your check until May. So we don't have anything, but promises.

 

[Pervis]

I would personally like to thank this guy for his excellent negotiating skills, way to stick together with your fellow pilots bro! And don't forget the more you make, the more you get taxed! Money ain't everything! Quality of life is priceless!

I've heard this reasoning before. So you'd rather not increase your net gain because it means paying more taxes? Tell you what. Any future increases you can send my way and I'll gladly pay the extra taxes and enjoy the extra net.

 

[NETFLIER]

Folks,

you are dealing with a re-active company, not an active one. without our deal you wouldnt have gotten anything from them. Send in your card, become a unified pilot group, and get the quality of life you deserve.

 

[Ref]

Ref you know nothing. You have been with Flexjet for what 6 months? You should be thankful to everyone at Netjets for your increase. You should also be thankful to those at Flexjet that have the courage to stick their necks out for your raise. Show some respect.

I am not here to disrespect or make enemies with anyone. I apologize if I came across that way, but I never said I wasnt thankful for our raise. I am very happy FlexJet stepped up to the plate with the pay. Would it have happened without your raise? Probably not. All I was saying is I dont feel I need to thank everybody I see for the raise. Guess I should have worded my last post better.

 

[finnjl]

you guys should know this is a semi union board and if you do not hate your job, management, the company in general and praise netjets for their union; folks are going to say negative things to you on this board

By the way for me personally the money was the biggest issue, I can deal with the other stuff and hopefully see gradual improvements in the other areas. Unless you're retired airline(unless you lost your pension), military, have a good side job, or just wealthy it was very difficult for a family of 4 to live on 42,000/year which breaks down to 1200 every two weeks so the raise was considerable for the folks at the bottom.

So I would have to debate anyone saying money was not really the issue.

 

[DirtyBeech]

No, money was YOUR issue, and that's understandable for a family of four living off of Flex F.O. pay. For many captains and or other F.O.'s with spouses that have good jobs, then money is certainly not the issue. Keep in mind that your raise is not guaranteed and can be taken away without notice by the same generous folks who gave it to you.

Our rest situation is a serious concern for all.

We work more than any other company.

We have fewer bases than any other comparable fractional.

We pay too much for our healthcare.

Our catering situation can downright suck.

We have a lousy bid system.

I'm happy that our raise brought us back up to industry standards, but real non monetary issues at Flex weren't remotely addressed. Your spouse and children might sleep better at night with your increased salary, but you sure won't with our 3AM wake up calls. And you'll be out more nights than any other fractional.

Face it. You and many others were bought on the cheap. You might run across the odd crewmember who's just happy to have a job with no complaints, but the majority have long ago given up on incremental change at Flex.

TBD doesn't mean To Be Determined. It stands for Too Bad Dumbasses.

 

[JokerFuel]

Finnjl. Money was the big issue for you? I got news for you my friend. You won't see your "pay off" until May. That is , if you see it at all. What you have now, is a wish my friend. So toss the coin into the fountain and hope it all works out come paday in May. For now were right where we've always been.