Prater Must Resign!!

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That's one of 3 reasons why it was tabled. We don't know how many other airline MEC's feel the same that way that we do.
To recall the President of ALPA,the ALPA executive board ,which is made up of ALL the MEC's (and should NOT be confused with the Executive Council,which is a different governing body ) must approve the recall measure by a vote of 50 percent plus 1 vote or by majority vote. (Not to sure which. It's been a few months since I last talked to my Capt rep about this topic ) Anyway,at this point, we aren't sure of how the other MEC's feel about going down this road. If Flopgut really want's to get his flying buddy Prater out of there,perhaps he ought to introduce a resolution at his next LEC meeting,calling for his ouster instead of complaining about it ad naseum on this webboard. But I guess like Rez and Occam like to say,that takes too much effort. Anyway ,that's where we are at my airline. 2 LEC's at one airline passed resolutions,currently tabled ,calling for Prater's ouster. Anyone else care to join in ?

PHXFLYR

Hence the complexities of self government. it is what it is....

And it shouldn't be easy.... otherwise knee jerk reactions would have a recall every quarter...

 

[PHXFLYR]

Are you implying that this a knee jerk reaction, Rez ??

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is it over one issue?

How many guys wanted to recall Duane? and how often?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Is it over one issue?

How many guys wanted to recall Duane? and how often?

No. Its several now.Not to mention a very real and distinct possibility that he may lose the USAir pilot group to USAPA. The fact of the matter is Prater,thru ALPA channels, could not persuade the USAPA organizers to hold off on sending in the decert cards to the NMB. Surely he has got to be held accountable for some of that being allowed to happen. If not,then I want his job next time it becomes available. I would love to be paid that kind of money and not be held accountable for my actions or in this case ,inaction.

PHXFLYR

 

[PCL_128]

Unfortunately, PHXFLYR is absolutely correct. Prater has proven his incompetence over and over again. The loss of USAirways to USAPA will be what he is remembered for decades from now. He has been a dismal failure, just as I feared when he won the election. But, the membership is also too incompetent and apathetic to get anything done, so they won't get rid of him, even though he should be on the fast track to recall. A shame that Prater could cause so much damage in less than 12 months.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

 

[PHXFLYR]

I wouldn't lump my pilot group in with those you consider apathetic, PCL. After all,we are the ones that passed the resolutions, currently tabled, calling for Prater's recall. So far no one else has followed our lead and regrettably we can't do this on our own . But everyone's quick to call for his head on a platter on good ol' FI.com......

Still wondering where ol' Flopgut stands on the issue and whether he has done anything to get the ball rolling at his airline.

PHXFLYR

 

[PCL_128]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

Agreed, but there are plenty of capable and experienced people within the Association that could do a much better job than Prater. Convincing them to step forward would be the hard part. Despite all this talk from flygirlwhatever and others about the "gratuitous" compensation of the President, very few people are willing to do this job because of the incredibly high workload. A smart recall effort would talk to some possible candidates before moving forward. Of course, the membership is too apathetic to do anything, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[PCL_128]

I wouldn't lump my pilot group in with those you consider apathetic, PCL. After all,we are the ones that passed the resolutions, currently tabled, calling for Prater's recall.

Well, is the resolution passed or is it tabled? It can't be both. A tabled resolution isn't considered "passed," and you can't table an agenda item that has already been considered and voted on.

 

[instructordude]

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[PHXFLYR]

Fair enough..... who's the replacement if the recall is successful. Power vacuums are bad... they suck all the losers out from under the carpet...

Who are the candidates? Better yet, you' re a little more ALPA- savey than most of us on this webboard, or at least you like to have us think you are. Who would you like to see, other than Prater ,run for ALPA President and replace him ? Who would you recommend to us ALPA neophytes,oh noble one?

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Who are the candidates? Better yet, you' re a little more ALPA- savey than most of us on this webboard, or at least you like to have us think you are.

Ahh... you are starting to catch on....

Who would you like to see, other than Prater ,run for ALPA President and replace him ? Who would you recommend to us ALPA neophytes,oh noble one?

Well, I will say briefly the best way not to have to recall Prater was put the right guy in there in the first place. DW was the better choice during the last election. But the past cannot be changed...let's look to the future..

One of JP concerns is recency of expeirence..... politics is all about relationship building... 'Washington insider' is a double edge sword.

But let's look to the future... if JP were to be no more... looking at those who have the most relationships built and recency of exp.....the only real choice that I am aware of is.... PR.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Well, is the resolution passed or is it tabled? It can't be both. A tabled resolution isn't considered "passed," and you can't table an agenda item that has already been considered and voted on.

Woops!! Sorry. They are officially tabled . I think the word I was searching for was presented,not passed.

Yet.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Ahh... you are starting to catch on....




Well, I will say briefly the best way not to have to recall Prater was put the right guy in there in the first place. DW was the better choice during the last election. But the past cannot be changed...let's look to the future..

One of JP concerns is recency of expeirence..... politics is all about relationship building... 'Washington insider' is a double edge sword.

But let's look to the future... if JP were to be no more... looking at those who have the most relationships built and recency of exp.....the only real choice that I am aware of is.... PR.

Would he be interested?
And if so how would we go about finding out?

PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Would he be interested?
And if so how would we go about finding out?

PHXFLYR

Work thru your MEC and EVP..... perhaps the rez shouldn't be tabled...if your group is serious...

Also.. your group is gun shy cause the other MEC's aren't passing similiar rez's, this is were realtionship building between MEC's is important... and seriously lacking.... on this or any issue...

Also, consider the collective damage both nationally and internationally if ALPA can't keep its house in order. Yeah, we all know we are dysfunctional, but the rest of the industry, globally, actually respects us.... if we recall we can appear as a lame duck... the whole profession suffers.

Keep in mind... the profession is greater than ALPA. ALPA is only the custodian....

 

[Turtle21]

Agreed, but there are plenty of capable and experienced people within the Association that could do a much better job than Prater...

Oh take it easy on Prater. He chose to be the head of an association that has as many conflicting clients as it has lawyers. It has as many obligations as Clinton has dresses. Nicolau just brought the right dress forward to prove it. :laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Well, I will say briefly the best way not to have to recall Prater was put the right guy in there in the first place. DW was the better choice during the last election.

A-frickin'-men!!!

But let's look to the future... if JP were to be no more... looking at those who have the most relationships built and recency of exp.....the only real choice that I am aware of is.... PR.

And he would probably be an even better choice than Duane.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Work thru your MEC and EVP..... perhaps the rez shouldn't be tabled...if your group is serious...

Also.. your group is gun shy cause the other MEC's aren't passing similiar rez's, this is were realtionship building between MEC's is important... and seriously lacking.... on this or any issue...

Also, consider the collective damage both nationally and internationally if ALPA can't keep its house in order. Yeah, we all know we are dysfunctional, but the rest of the industry, globally, actually respects us.... if we recall we can appear as a lame duck... the whole profession suffers.

Keep in mind... the profession is greater than ALPA. ALPA is only the custodian....

Thanks for the input,Rez. Quite a lot more to consider than first meets the eye. Will be interesting to see if this thing develops beyond its current form. Any recall resolutions being floated at your airline?

PHXFLYR

 

[enigma]

A-frickin'-men!!! And he would probably be an even better choice than Duane.

You gotta be kiddin me. PR is a good man, but he didn't even have the support of his own MEC at the BOD.

Instead of shooting at Prater, maybe we should all concentrate on an effort to draw members to their local meetings. Now there's a worthy cause.

Recalling a Pres, won't accomplish anything but more division.

BTW, I'd imagine that PR wouldn't touch the job today with a ten foot stick. Airways and age 60 are way too hot for anyone to handle.

If Prater gets the ax, I vote for Donatelli!!!!!!!!!!!:uzi:

 

[PCL_128]

You gotta be kiddin me. PR is a good man, but he didn't even have the support of his own MEC at the BOD.

You mean the same MEC that traded votes with the CAL MEC in order to try to get more votes for their buddy Bathurst? That godforsaken MEC is responsible for this whole damn mess. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be stuck with Prater right now. The fact that they don't support PR just gives him more credibility as far as I'm concerned.

If Prater gets the ax, I vote for Donatelli!!!!!!!!!!!:uzi:

As a former SPC Chair, I spent plenty of time around Donatelli. I can assure you that the office of President isn't up his alley, and he would be the first one to tell you that. The position he currently holds is perfect for him.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Any recall resolutions being floated at your airline?

PHXFLYR

I work at a regional... the pilots at my property don't seem too connected on these issues...

You gotta be kiddin me. PR is a good man, but he didn't even have the support of his own MEC at the BOD.

What does that have to do with it? PR's effectiveness while addressing ALPA's agenda, both nationally and internationally are the point. Not his MEC's agenda...

Ergo MB. A fellow pilot was working at Herndon while on furlough. MB was in the building and close by this guys office. MB wouldn't give him, a fellow company pilot, a civil hello. When discussing it later the offended pilot was told, that he had nothing MB needed...

Let's see if PR can gain support from his MEC when the new MEC Chair takes office..

Instead of shooting at Prater, maybe we should all concentrate on an effort to draw members to their local meetings. Now there's a worthy cause.

no doubt...

Recalling a Pres, won't accomplish anything but more division.

Incredibly valid...

BTW, I'd imagine that PR wouldn't touch the job today with a ten foot stick. Airways and age 60 are way too hot for anyone to handle.

but the comp package is sooooo sexy

If Prater gets the ax, I vote for Donatelli!!!!!!!!!!!:uzi:

Do tell!!

 

[n52gp]

Fair enough... I was responding to others....

Well..... let's define a job well done....

Now, of course many will say that ALPA has done a poor job the last seven years....

If we are critique the leadership then the membership is fair game...

Did a I miss someone addressing this: What responsibilities does the membership have...?

Finally, if ALPA has done a poor job...why? Answer the question from this perspective....

If ALPA has failed the membership's expectations... objectively justify those expectations.....

For example:

ALPA has gutted the profession with the concessionary contracts during the BK era. ALPA should just shut it all down: National Strike.

I pay my dues!!! that's what i do as a member. Prater and (other leaders) accepted the responsibilty to lead and wanted the "power" that comes with it. when they go against the majority, they deserve all the wrath that they get. f@&$ the class of '83 and prater!!!!

 

[Vne]

ALPA is only the custodian....

Considering the changes since 1978 and I think they have failed ...........repeatedly
Its just a job now it used to be a profession.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Considering the changes since 1978 and I think they have failed ...........repeatedly
Its just a job now it used to be a profession.

Agreed......whlile some feel indentifying the problem is enough... change occurs when pragmatic solutions are dervived and implented...

What do you suggest?