White House Comment Line

[CancelIFR1200]

Not sure that it will help, but this is the White House Comment Line

202-456-1111

Speak to the operator, and tell her to urge to the president to VETO HR 4343

 

[RedDogC130]

Just left my message.

 

[jke406]

Not sure that it will help, but this is the White House Comment Line

202-456-1111

Speak to the operator, and tell her to urge to the president to VETO HR 4343

dude, as much as we abhor Age 65...this bill passed both chambers UNANIMOUSLY. In this age of political rancor, do you really think the President will attempt a veto that can't possibly be upheld? this is a waste of time.

we need to figure out how to maneuver ourselves to mitigate the damage from this selfish, useless legislation ALPA stuck us with...not bail out the Titanic with a teaspoon.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Calling the White House is like trying to fix a burnt steak. Nice to see everyone politically involved.... but there is something called timing!!

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Dude, a little help, or shut the ******************** up.

 

[jke406]

Calling the White House is like trying to fix a burnt steak. Nice to see everyone politically involved.... but there is something called timing!!

yeah, sure, ALPA is the soloution to all our woes.

Posting on every single thread repeatedly does not guarantee you credibility, Rez.

What exactly is your game here? you subvert the majority opinion of pilots, bash those trying to effect change to our advantage (not Prater's), and generally suck up to the union. Classic definition of a stooge. Are you going to suddenly unmask yourself as the savior to all of us? Give me a break.

No one's buying what you're peddling. I'd rather buy some oceanfront property in Arizona from a telemarketer.

 

[F/O]

Don't bother. It's not gonna make a dime's worth of difference.

 

[RedDogC130]

No kidding but if you don't say anything then you can't complain when it does not go your way. At least I said to veto it. I know it will not make a difference but at least I did something.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Red Dog, you've obviously been NTSing too much!!! Yeah, the pres is going to veto a unanimous descision by both the house and senate. That's like saying Lufthansa's going to buy a stake in an American carrier today or something...

 

[jke406]

No kidding but if you don't say anything then you can't complain when it does not go your way. At least I said to veto it. I know it will not make a difference but at least I did something.

Ok, if you want to "do something," send me $1,000 in the mail, and I'll spend it to make your life better. I guarantee you it will be more effective than calling the white house comment line.

 

[RedDogC130]

I can't afford it now that I won'tbe upgrading in the next decade or so. Sorry.

 

[eaglefly]

The only reason I called to give a thumbs up was to cancel Johnny Sackboys' thumbs down.

 

[CitationUltra]

dude, as much as we abhor Age 65...this bill passed both chambers UNANIMOUSLY. In this age of political rancor, do you really think the President will attempt a veto that can't possibly be upheld? this is a waste of time.

we need to figure out how to maneuver ourselves to mitigate the damage from this selfish, useless legislation ALPA stuck us with...not bail out the Titanic with a teaspoon.

To say nothing of the fact that the president is unlikely to veto a measure that merely puts an end to fifty years of blatant and unmitigated age discrimination.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes, because 60 is discrimination, but 65 is not. Stop trying to play the discrimination card. No one is buying it. This was unadulterated greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

yeah, sure, ALPA is the soloution to all our woes.

Actually it isn't. Dare I say each pilot is the solution to each pilots problems... call it alpa call it whatever..the union is just a tool to solve problems... do you blame your tool box when you can't fix your car?

Posting on every single thread repeatedly does not guarantee you credibility, Rez.

Just note that I am not compalining rather calling for positve action.

What exactly is your game here? you subvert the majority opinion of pilots,

Correction... the majority of the minority...

bash those trying to effect change to our advantage (not Prater's),

bashing ones union and calling for recall is not effecting change.

and generally suck up to the union. Classic definition of a stooge. Are you going to suddenly unmask yourself as the savior to all of us? Give me a break.

As i said.... the solution to a pilots problem is the pilot. not alpa, not prater, not age 60, not FI and not me.

No one's buying what you're peddling. I'd rather buy some oceanfront property in Arizona from a telemarketer.

I am peddling that one take ownership of thier own problems. Participate in self government and democracy. Use cooler heads. Education. Information. Pragmatic thinking. Understanding. Empathy. Self reliance and responsibility.

But no one seems to like that... they just want to blame others...


Why do I care? Because a unions effectiveness is in consensus. While we are all fighting each other over "me me me" issues... our effectivness goes down. We can do better. We can disagree... but at the end of the day we have to have consensus.

 

[CitationUltra]

Yes, because 60 is discrimination, but 65 is not. Stop trying to play the discrimination card. No one is buying it. This was unadulterated greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

The "discrimination card" as you call it, is why this issue has finally gotten the attention it has long deserved.

"No one is buying it"?

The law was just changed with a unanimous vote on the U.S. House of Representatives, precisely because it was discriminatory.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

You're already blind old man. Hows that chest feeling?

 

[PCL_128]

The "discrimination card" as you call it, is why this issue has finally gotten the attention it has long deserved.

"No one is buying it"?


The law was just changed with a unanimous vote on the U.S. House of Representatives, precisely because it was discriminatory.

The regulation was changed because there was no opposition to it lobbying on the Hill. Without ALPA on the hill fighting this thing off like they've been doing for decades, there was no voice to counter the geezers from APAAD. Once ALPA got on board with the geezers, this was a done deal.

 

[CitationUltra]

The regulation was changed because there was no opposition to it lobbying on the Hill. Without ALPA on the hill fighting this thing off like they've been doing for decades, there was no voice to counter the geezers from APAAD. Once ALPA got on board with the geezers, this was a done deal.

BS. The regulation was changed after years of attempting to get the FAA off the dime to do it, and there was opposition from all the usual suspects, but notably no empirical evidence that there was a "safety" issue. ALPA has very little real clout any more, sad to say.

Bottom line: It was a stupid, arbitrary rule; it needed to be changed, and in one of the only positive developments in an otherwise do-nothing Congress, it's a now a done deal.

You may not like it now, but when you get nearer that age, you may be happy not to be arbitrarily discriminated against. You can certainly retire at age 60 if you want to.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Don't forget the ICAO factor... there already were ALPA pilots flying past age 60 in the US.. operating out of DCA....

 

[CitationUltra]

Don't forget the ICAO factor... there already were ALPA pilots flying past age 60 in the US.. operating out of DCA....

You're absolutely right. That started to push the FAA off dead center a year ago, but as time wore on, and even that didn't compel them to act, Congress finally stepped up to the plate.

 

[dtfl]

BS. The regulation was changed after years of attempting to get the FAA off the dime to do it, and there was opposition from all the usual suspects, but notably no empirical evidence that there was a "safety" issue. ALPA has very little real clout any more, sad to say.

Bottom line: It was a stupid, arbitrary rule; it needed to be changed, and in one of the only positive developments in an otherwise do-nothing Congress, it's a now a done deal.

You may not like it now, but when you get nearer that age, you may be happy not to be arbitrarily discriminated against. You can certainly retire at age 60 if you want to.

Sure we can all retire at 60....and what do you think will happen during the next contract negotiation at EACH of our carriers? Hmm? They will reduce the contributions to our retirement plans and they will fight pay raises - using the excuse that "You now have 5 MORE years to work to make that $$"...yeah......great.

 

[Captain Overs]

Calling the White House is like trying to fix a burnt steak. Nice to see everyone politically involved.... but there is something called timing!!

I agree, but why is everyone trying to call the White House now? Flying is just a job, and Bushleague has done a great job is dismantling the constitution while you were all paying attention elsewhere.

 

[wscrj]

I'm as pissed as the next guy, but I fail to see where Rez is wrong with anything he's said.

In the end, WE are responsible for our own actions (or lack thereof), be those personal or as a collective group.

It's quite clear that Rez is pointing out that fact, and a lot of folks don't seem to appreciate having their face rubbed in it.

Bitching about it at this point is entirely fruitless. Taking action (whatever that my be) has got to be the next step. It's just gonna take awhile to get this mess sorted out.

Now, I need to figure out how I'm going to handle my first encounter with a 60+1 chump...

 

[BigMeat]

I liked APAs approach compared to ALPAs. Im an ALPA fan but Im telling you that lately that is really starting to flounder. From retirement to the silence on the TSA, rest requirements that are not being taken seriously...etc. Just to show how much as a labor union we have slowed down, look at the ass raping we have had in the last several years. Not one job action, not one major demonstration or threat of an SOS. Im am a very big union supporter but I have my doubts on ALPA direction and the judgement our our pilots this last decade.

 

[Skank]

Not sure that it will help, but this is the White House Comment Line

202-456-1111

Speak to the operator, and tell her to urge to the president to VETO HR 4343

Yeah, that would have really helped, considering how open this administration has been to input from outside the circle of koolaid drinkers.

 

[stonewall]

Yeah, that would have really helped, considering how open this administration has been to input from outside the circle of koolaid drinkers.

Well, there is the little problem of a unanimous vote in Congress.

I realize many of you blame Bush for all that ails you, your neighbor, your dog, Mars, Venus and all that lies beyond, but this has nothing to do with the current occupant of the White House.

Nobody gave a s*** about this issue except a small group of determined (and greedy?) elderly airline pilots. We see the result.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Well, there is the little problem of a unanimous vote in Congress.

Nobody gave a s*** about this issue except a small group of determined (and greedy?) elderly airline pilots. We see the result.

Hey...thjey weren't all elderly..as of right now, I have 12 years to get the Age 70 rule implemented...ooops, as of the latest news...let's make that 17 years is what I now have.