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[rtmcfi]

We younger, healthier guys, however, will benefit the most.

Compound interest.......Look it up.

 

[pdub20s]

I love it, try an insult a man based on his time to upgrade.
I guess he could ask you.
But anyways pdub, how is working for JO and Mesa going?

Its going fine. Slavery never felt so good

Bizzum: Good comeback

 

[bizzum]

Bizzum: Good comeback

I'll be here all night!imp:

 

[rtmcfi]

House Approves Change to the Upper Age Limit

Language reflects ALPA Executive Board Resolution.

December 11, 2007​

The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation this evening that would raise the pilot mandatory retirement age to 65 by a unanimous vote of 390-0. The measure, introduced by House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee Chairman James Oberstar (D-Minn.), is identical to the language already included in the House and Senate Transportation Appropriations conference report, which is now ensnared in the larger, unrelated fight over completing this year’s spending bills. “I salute Chairman Oberstar and his colleagues for this bold step,” said Capt. John Prater, ALPA’s president. “The legislation passed by the House of Representatives is consistent with ALPA’s Executive Board resolution that is designed to protect the interests of airline pilots and this Association.”
Instrumental in achieving passage of the legislation were House Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Jerry Costello (D-Ill.) and committee members Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) and Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.).
The Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act, H.R.4343, was introduced this morning and placed on the House suspension calendar, which is a special procedure used to speed up action by setting aside the regular rules of order and requiring a two-thirds majority vote for passage of legislation.
In addition to allowing Part 121 airline pilots to fly up to age 65, H.R.4343 will clarify non-retroactivity, provide sufficient liability protection for unions, prohibit unilateral changes to labor agreements and benefit plans, eliminate the over/under split for domestic operations, and make the rule change effective as of the date the legislation is enacted.
The Senate will now have to decide whether to bring the measure up under their own procedural motion, known as unanimous consent, in which a legislative matter is considered agreed to if no Senator on the floor objects. The Senate has already once before unanimously approved the language of H.R.4343 in the form of the Stevens amendment during debate of the Transportation Appropriations bill on September 11.



This will undoubtably create a nice slow down of major airlines' hiring plans. So sit back, relax, and enjoy your stay at whatever regional you currently call home.

It has not passed the senate (yet) Write your senators. They all have webpages you can google.

 

[PCL_128]

It would be a real shame if FOs started writing up these elderly Captains for every little mistake they make. A real shame....

 

[BoilerUP]

Everybody repeat after me: "Here's a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese meal for you Captain, my treat. They were out of diet so I got you a regular Coke instead. There's also plenty of salt on those fries."

 

[JumpersAway]

I am no more happy about the age 65 deal than anybody- completely screws anyone that isn't a widebody captain now. This may actually worsten the pilot shortage in the long run though- many may see this as a deterrent to getting into aviation. It's simply putting a chewing gum patch in the proverbial crack of the dam.

Regarding the dieting deal and not caring if anyone medicals out or not- Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do to take care of your body. What can you eat to keep your eyes from slipping up as you age? Also, you can get cancer from breathing fresh, clean air.......Diabetes is heredetary.....Need I say more? It isn't like our lifestyle is tollerant to any semblance of normalcy, or good health. I barely have time to eat, let alone eat well while on a trip.

I am guessing no REAL slow down in hiring, but it may not speed up either. I am thinking the bulk of the shockwave induced by this will be over in two years.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

With them upping the age to 65yrs old, a lot of the "younger" FOs are gonna have to baby sit the age 60-65 captain. A lot can happen to the body and mind in that 5 year time frame. I am totally against flying past age 60. A lot of the guys I talk to that are getting close to age 60 dont want to fly past it. Hey, if you need to fly past age 60.. thats what the fractionals are for.

Careful with using that word "babysit"...if the company figures they can pay you babysitter wages you'll be making about $2.50/hr...good thing FO's don't "babysit" Captains...if an FO is fortunate enough to sit to the right of a Captain with 40 years of airline experience he or she should view it as a learning experience and not waste it trying to "one-up" the "old" guy or girl...and for the record, by the time I hit 60, I'll want out for sure!

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

No one has to baby sit me.

I dont know if anyone has ever heard this before:

"Once a man twice a baby"

Same goes if pilots fly to age 65. When they first started out they had to be baby sat by a more experienced pilot, now when they hit age 60-65 and they aren't very sharp anymore they are gonna have to be baby sat again.

But anyways eagle, hows that 7year upgrade going?

Man, aren't you hot under all those "blanket" statements? Ask the folks on UAL 232 how competent they thought Al Haynes was when he saved all of their lives...word has it that EVERY crew the instructors put thru that sim scenario afterwards lost the aircraft...younger crews, I might add...age 65 should be on a case-by-case basis although we all know that it won't be because the companies won't give up the $$ involved to have it that way...

 

[JumpersAway]

Man, aren't you hot under all those "blanket" statements? Ask the folks on UAL 232 how competent they thought Al Haynes was when he saved all of their lives...word has it that EVERY crew the instructors put thru that sim scenario afterwards lost the aircraft...younger crews, I might add...age 65 should be on a case-by-case basis although we all know that it won't be because the companies won't give up the $$ involved to have it that way...

It was a check airman from the back of the airplane that ultimately landed the thing- and figured out how to fly it with the throttles only. He wasn't seated because he was leaning over the pedestal flying and died in the crash. Al haines said "I've got it", moved the yolk full to one side, and figured out it really wasn't working- just like the FO that was flying said.

 

[Poahi]

Ask the folks on UAL 232 how competent they thought Al Haynes was when he saved all of their lives....

Al Haynes wasn't over 60.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

It was a check airman from the back of the airplane that ultimately landed the thing- and figured out how to fly it with the throttles only. He wasn't seated because he was leaning over the pedestal flying and died in the crash. Al haines said "I've got it", moved the yolk full to one side, and figured out it really wasn't working- just like the FO that was flying said.

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is hard to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

edit for syntax!

 

[eaglefly]

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

Yeah........a 21 post idiot.

 

[eaglefly]

Al Haynes wasn't over 60.

Like he would have performed great at 59 1/2 and poorly at 60 1/2 ?

Ridiculous.

 

[Speedtape]

No one has to baby sit me.

I dont know if anyone has ever heard this before:

"Once a man twice a baby"

Same goes if pilots fly to age 65. When they first started out they had to be baby sat by a more experienced pilot, now when they hit age 60-65 and they aren't very sharp anymore they are gonna have to be baby sat again.

But anyways eagle, hows that 7year upgrade going?

YOU ARE AN IDIOT! What data are you basing your self-serving findings on? I know alot of 60+ pilot Gentlemen that could whip your ARSE!

 

[JumpersAway]

Sorry...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_E._Fitch

Denny Fitch, the DC-10 instructor who assisted the crew of UAL 232, survived the accident, and in fact returned to flying status despite his injuries. He has done several TV interviews about the accident... It is hard to find a talking dead guy.

As far as Capt. Haines goes, he deserves every bit of credit he has been given, despite what your post insinuates. He used outstanding CRM in an almost impossible situation. Lots of lessons there for all of us.

A little advice? Fact check your posts. The internet is a wonderful thing!

edit for syntax!

I am mearly insunuating that it was a collaborative effort, and not just one old man. Yes, he does get credit, as does the check pilot, and first officer.

You are right- I need to fact check everything posted, just like everyone else on FI

 

[snozberry]

Mica and Oberstar did this to help curtail the pilot shortage. If they really wanted to curtail the shortage they would've made legislation to prohibit executives from raping the employees of this industry. Why would anyone want to enter this industry when they see the loyal and hard workers of it get screwed the way they do?

 

[BoilerUP]

Mica and Oberstar did this to help curtail the pilot shortage.

There is NO FUKCING PILOT SHORTAGE.

 

[ThisistheDream]

SO when does this go into effect??? Starting tommorrow? or will it be 6-9 months or a year away before it actually becomes LAW???

 

[BoilerUP]

As soon as Bush signs, its law.

 

[LearLove]

inlight of these events i wonder what this will do to anymore outsourcing of mainline type flying. Like the 190's. with guys looking a stagnated careers maybe they could push to take back most of the 70-100 seat flying.

 

[Ezralite]

good thing FO's don't "babysit" Captains...if an FO is fortunate enough to sit to the right of a Captain with 40 years of airline experience he or she should view it as a learning experience and not waste it trying to "one-up" the "old" guy or girl

Yes, sometimes FOs do babysit captains. It's a rare occasion, but maybe not for long.

 

[CaptDave]

Senate Unanimously Approves Change to Pilot Retirement Age Limit
Legislation awaits President’s signature to become law

December 12, 2007​

Just one day after the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R.4343, a bill that would raise the mandatory retirement age for commercial airline pilots to 65, the U.S. Senate followed suit tonight when it approved the same piece of legislation by unanimous consent—meaning that no senator objected. “ALPA has worked very hard from the beginning of this process to make sure that the recommendations of the Executive Board—which were intended to protect our pilots—were included in any age change,” said ALPA President Capt. John Prater. “I am gratified to report to our members tonight that this legislation reflects the direction of the Board.”
The bill now goes to the U.S. President for his signature, which will make it law. The timing for this has yet to be determined.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Like he would have performed great at 59 1/2 and poorly at 60 1/2 ?

Ridiculous.

Exactly! In fact Al was an early "poster child" in the media for increasing the mandatory retirement age of airline pilots...

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Yes, sometimes FOs do babysit captains. It's a rare occasion, but maybe not for long.

If it goes on past "high mins" something's wrong...it's just like the "college boy" officer that gets sent to war where the enlisted troops know all the ins and outs and have been fighting for a year...they carry the commander's weight for a bit, but he's still the commander...I can respect an FO who's been there for 8 years in the right seat for both knowing his plane and for staying...but the 4th stripe still gets all the blame whether day 1 or year 30...

 

[Salty Dog]

I never said I was for it. Just that we would be more likely to fly the extra five than the current generation.

Five more years for your savings to compound before you start drawing, Free Cat Guy. That's a good thing. (hilarious avatar by the way)

 

[Crossky]

I am mearly insunuating that it was a collaborative effort, and not just one old man. Yes, he does get credit, as does the check pilot, and first officer.

You are right- I need to fact check everything posted, just like everyone else on FI

Oh, you lump everyone in the same category as you, trying to make you not look so bad? That's bad form my friend, in addition to your frequent bad spelling. In your signature line don't you mean "god bless the peacemakers", not "pacemakers"?

 

[DashTrash400]

I never said I was for it. Just that we would be more likely to fly the extra five than the current generation.

Whether we want to or not. Fly, fly, fly till you die!

 

[Poahi]

Exactly! In fact Al was an early "poster child" in the media for increasing the mandatory retirement age of airline pilots...

Not quite. Al agrees that skills deteriorate over time and there is a difference between a 30 year old pilot and a 55 year old one. He notes there is some advantage with judgement with age, but there are risks as well.

He supports a mandatory retirement age although he doesn't mention a specific number. And if he was strongly in favor of increasing the age, he would have supported it.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Not quite. Al agrees that skills deteriorate over time and there is a difference between a 30 year old pilot and a 55 year old one. He notes there is some advantage with judgement with age, but there are risks as well.

He supports a mandatory retirement age although he doesn't mention a specific number. And if he was strongly in favor of increasing the age, he would have supported it.

You are correct Poahi...I wasn't clear in my statement...I didn't mean that Al supported 65...only that those in favor of 65 attempted to use him as an example that older pilots were still competent...Al's wisdom is reflected in his comments to the public regarding the accident and the age 65 proposal...