Delta Jumpseaters on ASA/SkyW

[spudskier]

I'm bored, thought I'd start a thread... I've been hearing a LOT of captains say they won't be going out of their way to get a DAL guy on the jumpseat because of the new crappy pass privileges. Not to say they won't let him/her on at all, but no favors... anyone else hearing this?

p.s. I have little if any say in the right seat.. not my idea

 

[TWA69]

I do not think this is a good idea, and very immature. The delta pilots did not make the new pass benefits at ASA, management did. If anything stop doing the company favors, I think most did that a long time ago.

 

[General Lee]

I don't think that is a good idea, and we automatically have to pay our $50 a year for passes regardless. That is the way it goes if you want to nonrev on Delta. We all pay it. If you don't want to, then show up 2 hours before the flight and hope.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Magneto]

Do Delta mainline employees have to pay to fly on their planes now too? I highly doubt that.

 

[Hovernut]

Don't blame the pilots for the gross management FUBAR! DAL's been good to me...maybe not always terribly cordial, but I've been getting on none the less.

Give 'em the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Hovernut]

Do Delta mainline employees have to pay to fly on their planes now too? I highly doubt that.

We have to pony up $50/yr for nonrev privileges. Nothing per-leg, unless international for taxes, etc.

 

[Magneto]

We have to pony up $50/yr for nonrev privileges. Nothing per-leg, unless international for taxes, etc.

Yeah that's nothing compared to the BONE that DAL gave the Delta Connection folks.

Here's my beef with charging to fly. If I work at a department store that sells clothes, they give me a discount. We'll call it half off. If I buy a pair of jeans for half off I just cost the company 50% of the possible money they could have charged for that same pair of jeans. The department store loses money when their employees use their benefits.

Now for Delta, how much is that seat worth once the main cabin door closes? NOTHING! They can't resell that exact seat to someone else. It is money lost whether it has my butt in it or no butt in it. If I take that empty seat it costs them the price of a CUP of Diet Coke and some crackers. I might be mistaken and if I am will someone please correct me. In my eyes it seems as if Delta is just trying to stick it to the people who make them all their money.

And don't give me that crap about how it is only 5 bucks plus miles. That's fine if you're a 21 year old ramper with no kids. In my case, you take that number and times it by 4 it starts to add up. Not to mention it's STANDBY!

 

[rf285]

Yeah that's nothing compared to the BONE that DAL gave the Delta Connection folks.

Here's my beef with charging to fly. If I work at a department store that sells clothes, they give me a discount. We'll call it half off. If I buy a pair of jeans for half off I just cost the company 50% of the possible money they could have charged for that same pair of jeans. The department store loses money when their employees use their benefits.

Now for Delta, how much is that seat worth once the main cabin door closes? NOTHING! They can't resell that exact seat to someone else. It is money lost whether it has my butt in it or no butt in it. If I take that empty seat it costs them the price of a CUP of Diet Coke and some crackers. I might be mistaken and if I am will someone please correct me. In my eyes it seems as if Delta is just trying to stick it to the people who make them all their money.

And don't give me that crap about how it is only 5 bucks plus miles. That's fine if you're a 21 year old ramper with no kids. In my case, you take that number and times it by 4 it starts to add up. Not to mention it's STANDBY!

Are you sure that 21 year old ramper has no kids? Odds are that he has been on Maury Pauvich.

 

[yahooair]

ah yes, lets all blame each other game, the people up there sure know how to keep our brains going...lets start pointing the finger at the top execs.
their plans are working, let them blame each other so we can rob them even more and the idiot pilots will blame skywest and mesa pilots....
nice

 

[rightseatjocky]

I can understand if someone wants to charge us for non reving. I just can't understand that why it's only a dci carrier. Can anyone explain for the exact same seat, a United or American or Frontier Etc. They don't have to pay? I am so pissed that Delta would do this to it's own people.
I am not saying that I will deny another Delta guy, but I have to admit that their pilots should stand up for us also. We make money hand over fist for Detla and they want to screw us. Hmm sounds like another slow down for ASA if you ask me. I will write up and cost asa so much money it will make their heads spin.

 

[John Pennekamp]

No I do blame the pilots. DALPA filed a grievance as soon as we got Delta benefits and they've been out to get them back ever since. Now they got their wish.

No, I will NOT go out of my way, in fact I anticipate being very weight limited. Especially if an ER pilot named Lee shows up.

 

[outtahere]

As an ASA captain I have no problem taking a Delta pilot on the jumpseat, he just needs to hand over five bucks since I have to pay five to ride his jumpseat. Now Scabwest pilots, thats a different story. I won't deny them the jumpseat, but if we are a pound over then I guess they will take a hike. At least 65% of them didn't want to go the extra mile to help us out, so why should I do anything extra to help them out.

 

[outtahere]

No I do blame the pilots. DALPA filed a grievance as soon as we got Delta benefits and they've been out to get them back ever since. Now they got their wish.

No, I will NOT go out of my way, in fact I anticipate being very weight limited. Especially if an ER pilot named Lee shows up.

In my opinion these pilots just cut there own throat. I would say that more of them commute on us than the other way around. Now a two week ASA pilot gets on before a 20 year Delta captain.

 

[John Pennekamp]

As an ASA captain I have no problem taking a Delta pilot on the jumpseat, he just needs to hand over five bucks since I have to pay five to ride his jumpseat. Now Scabwest pilots, thats a different story. I won't deny them the jumpseat, but if we are a pound over then I guess they will take a hike. At least 65% of them didn't want to go the extra mile to help us out, so why should I do anything extra to help them out.

Lemme get an AMEN brotha!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The General should bring lunch/dinner for the crew when ever he rides on DCI.

 

[General Lee]

Do Delta mainline employees have to pay to fly on their planes now too? I highly doubt that.

Yes, if you want your family members to have non-rev benefits, we all have to pay, once a year. The answer is YES.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SSDD]

General, that's different than having to pay per flight. That's what we're talking about here.

 

[ASApuppy]

Now, has anyone got a real read on the multiple jumpseat deal with Delta. If we are the second, or whatever, J/S to show are we going to be listed as a J/S with no charge or are we going to be charged and boarded behind the Buddy-passes?

As for the Scabwest pilots, I will deny them a ride in the cockpit based on safety of flight. I will not be able to safely babysit my wet-ticket FO and lecture the J/Ser on the finer points of our collective industry at the same time. Hopefully, time will ease my harshness, but right now I'm boiling. I actually would have had more respect for them if the 2/3 that didn't vote would have voted no.

 

[VerticalSnap]

I use to work at ASA and now I work at SkyWest or ScabWest or whatever you want to call it. You need to really look up the definition of a scab, because we are not.

The grass is MUCH greener at SkyWest. People are happier. They are happy to work towards a common goal of making the company work and be profitable (OMG, is that SO WRONG or what!?!?) They are happy to work towards saving fuel. ASA pilots seem to go WAY out of their way to burn fuel and deny jumpseats. What does that solve? It makes them feel better inside because they believe they are powerful.

Thanks for reminding me why I left that company. The jumpseat-denying, extra-fuel-burning, non-flexing attitude of the pilot group over there really is sheit!

Don't get me wrong, not everyone at ASA was like that, but from my experience (almost 2 years), the majority of captains over there will go out of their way to try to screw someone or the company up. They then teach the FO's exactly how to act when they become captains and thus you have the non-professional and un-ethical pilot group that ASA is today.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Now, has anyone got a real read on the multiple jumpseat deal with Delta. If we are the second, or whatever, J/S to show are we going to be listed as a J/S with no charge or are we going to be charged and boarded behind the Buddy-passes?

Delta was going to charge ASA pilots who use the multiple jumpseats to get around the pass charge. ASA management went to Delta and said it isn't fair that other pilots will ride for free while ASA pilots pay for the same jumpseat ride. Delta said that ASA pilots would be S3C and the other pilots would be S4. They came to an agreement that works like this:

You will have to decide whether you want to be S4 (free) or S3C (pass charge) when you get to the gate.

As for the Scabwest pilots, I will deny them a ride in the cockpit based on safety of flight. I will not be able to safely babysit my wet-ticket FO and lecture the J/Ser on the finer points of our collective industry at the same time. Hopefully, time will ease my harshness, but right now I'm boiling. I actually would have had more respect for them if the 2/3 that didn't vote would have voted no.

Extremely shortsighted and unprofessional....

 

[Medeco]

I use to work at ASA and now I work at SkyWest or ScabWest or whatever you want to call it. You need to really look up the definition of a scab, because we are not.

The grass is MUCH greener at SkyWest. People are happier. They are happy to work towards a common goal of making the company work and be profitable (OMG, is that SO WRONG or what!?!?) They are happy to work towards saving fuel. ASA pilots seem to go WAY out of their way to burn fuel and deny jumpseats. What does that solve? It makes them feel better inside because they believe they are powerful.

Thanks for reminding me why I left that company. The jumpseat-denying, extra-fuel-burning, non-flexing attitude of the pilot group over there really is sheit!

Don't get me wrong, not everyone at ASA was like that, but from my experience (almost 2 years), the majority of captains over there will go out of their way to try to screw someone or the company up. They then teach the FO's exactly how to act when they become captains and thus you have the non-professional and un-ethical pilot group that ASA is today.

That was then, this is now.

New contract = New motivation

November was steller, and it was no mistake. Pilot group played and important role in this. Not saying we are the only reason.

Once this pilot group sees the bonus money paid in a good quarter, ASA will see even more improvement.

Money talks.

Brad Holt has another chance to turn the ship around at ASA. Brian L. and Jerry A. had a golden opportunity, but chose to play the old game.

Mr. Holt and Company, should not. ASA makes good profits now, just think what we could do.


Medeco

 

[wms]

Yes, if you want your family members to have non-rev benefits, we all have to pay, once a year. The answer is YES.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's to access travelnet. We pay that plus $5 per segment and $.01 per mile. It's apples and oranges.

 

[wms]

That was then, this is now.

New contract = New motivation

November was steller, and it was no mistake. Pilot group played and important role in this. Not saying we are the only reason.

Once this pilot group sees the bonus money paid in a good quarter, ASA will see even more improvement.

Money talks.



Brad Holt has another chance to turn the ship around at ASA. Brian L. and Jerry A. had a golden opportunity, but chose to play the old game.

Mr. Holt and Company, should not. ASA makes good profits now, just think what we could do.


Medeco

I don't think we can take any more credit for the currents improvements than we could be blamed for the poor performance of the past. Delta has figured out that good operational performance requires close supervision of the airport operations. In their arrogance they thought that just because DAL was in the house it would make a difference, and now they've learned better. Their poor performance affected our numbers. Now their improvements will help our numbers, and hopefully those better numbers will help us get contracts with other carriers.

 

[Caspian27]

Extremely shortsighted and unprofessional....

Agreed.

 

[Speedtape]

Extremely shortsighted and unprofessional....[/quote]


Maybe we should all support the ASA PDC! short for ASA Pass Defense Coalition. I know of some people with plenty of experience in these matters.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

That's to access travelnet. We pay that plus $5 per segment and $.01 per mile. It's apples and oranges.

Just jumpseat... that's what I used to do at Pineapple.

It's not hard.

You are outsourced labor, and General Lee likes it up the butt. Some things just don't change.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I use to work at ASA.............the majority of captains over there will go out of their way to try to screw someone or the company up. They then teach the FO's exactly how to act

You are WAY out of line with this remark. All we want is a fair shake, nothing more. If you were here 2 years you flew with how many, maybe 30 Captains? Way to label 900 pilots from a small sampling. On behalf of all the pilots here that are/were junior to you, thanks for leaving, I am sure YOU weren't any part of the problem.

Dick Gozinya

 

[doug_or]

Just jumpseat... that's what I used to do at Pineapple.

It's not hard.

Unless you've got some magic computer command we can pass on to the gate agents, yes it is that hard. If you have a PPR (which anyone who has ever paid the $50 does, even if they are no longer paying it), then the gate agent will not be able to put you anywhere but the actual without charging. At SKW our J/S coordinator has said the glitch should be fixed by january, and to email him details (date, time, flight #, name employee#) in the mean time. I would assume that ASA should be in a similar situation, contact your JS coordinator to find out. The problem at this stage is between us and the computers, not mainline pilots.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

The problem at this stage is between us and the computers, not mainline pilots.

Yes, but the Dal pilots support in this will help to eliminate further problems in the future. Besides, isn't helping out our "brothers" a two way street?

Dick Gozinya

 

[SoberIrishman]

With Delta domestic "downsizing", and perhaps more flying headed towards larger ASA RJ aircraft in the future (hopefully), perhaps Delta pilots will see their error in not supporting a "level playing field" with regard to the ASA travel benefits.

It is simply disgraceful that ASA folks have to pay $5 plus 1c per mile on mainline, and the mainline employees DO NOT have to pay to ride on ASA!

And why does FREEDUMB not pay?
And why does REPUBLIC not pay?

The S3C priority I can understand, but the segment fees I cannot swallow. In addition, ASA employees can no longer buy discounted (positive space) "family fares". How dumb is that? There was a possible revenue stream for mainline just flushed down the can!

Never will I go down the route of being a jerk and not try everything that is legal to get a fellow pilot on the jumpseat. However if it is a Delta pilot, he will certainly be "educated" as to what the charge would be if I had my way!