PDT Flow Thru?

[sucit]

Does anyone have any idea what happened in the meeting on the 4th?

 

[lear24]

I happen to have confidential video from the meeting:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V6x6PQwLcjY

 

[jellynuts]

supposedly they agreed that wholly owned's have the right to flowthrough. they won't let us get more than first year pay. and they're saying they want a flow-back. so another meeting in january after the holidays and by the time it all gets hammered out, they should be fourloughing!!

 

[sucit]

This is such crap, I wish our MEC would just agree with that and let the people that want to flow do it. The longer we wait the worse it will get, just get it done and lets move on.

 

[loser]

It is not our MEC that we are waiting on (to agree on terms), but rather management to provide us with their response to our proposal.

 

[NCFlyer]

Plus at 1 time while the ALG/PDT/PSA pilots would flow to the bottom of the mainline list, the mainline insisted to "flowback" senioir to every pilot on the CEL!

Imagine it, possibly a 2008 new hire off the street at mainline, if furloughed in 2009 would be senior to every pilot on the CEL.

Or how about a PDT pilot that flowed to mainline then furloughed, would he/she then flow back senior to every pilot on the CEL? And if not, why should the new hire off the street flow back senior yet the former CEL pilot flows back to their previous seniority?

I don't have the answers, but I do have a number of questions.

 

[Sig]

There is no simple answer, as you know.

The very reason the MDA guys scream we "denied" them flowback is the seniority issue- why jump from the right seat of a Dash to the right seat of a 170, back down to the left seat of a Dash and senior to BC with 34 years of service- with a grand total of 4 years' work?

It is very possible to protect the longevity and seniority of this issue, but extremely complicated.

I hope it can be done.

 

[FR8mastr]

There is no simple answer, as you know.

The very reason the MDA guys scream we "denied" them flowback is the seniority issue- why jump from the right seat of a Dash to the right seat of a 170, back down to the left seat of a Dash and senior to BC with 34 years of service- with a grand total of 4 years' work?

It is very possible to protect the longevity and seniority of this issue, but extremely complicated.

I hope it can be done.

That is not true, Nobody that came from a WO expected anything other than to go back to their original seniority at PDT.

We were all told (with vigor) to go pound sand.

Now is a different story, I have no idea how it will pan out.

 

[olympus593]

Yeah it's true true STFU mainline maggot!!!!

 

[FR8mastr]

Yeah it's true true STFU mainline maggot!!!!

spoken like a true scholar

 

[olympus593]

Considering the way the AAA MEC threat us, take it as a compliment, or if you want to I'll be more than happy to tell y'a how I really feel. Don't you think it's strange that the W.O pilot are taking side with the AW pilot? That should tell you something.

 

[ex j-41]

That is not true, Nobody that came from a WO expected anything other than to go back to their original seniority at PDT.

We were all told (with vigor) to go pound sand.

Now is a different story, I have no idea how it will pan out.

No but they did go from Piedmont to Mid Atlantic to a Captain at PSA. How that works i will never know!

 

[FR8mastr]

Considering the way the AAA MEC threat us, take it as a compliment, or if you want to I'll be more than happy to tell y'a how I really feel. Don't you think it's strange that the W.O pilot are taking side with the AW pilot? That should tell you something.

I agree the ML MEC has done some nasty stuff.
Before you get too chummy with your pals on the west try and realize they are only using the WO as a way to stick to the ML MEC. While that may sound great on the surface, remember it was less than a year ago that this same pilot group tried to have the ex CEL pilots completely removed from the ML List. This in turn would have eliminated any proof that a Flow may exist.
If this is how they treat pilots from a WO that actually are on the ML list, how do you think they really feel about a WO pilot that is not?
The West pilots want Nic and all the riches it provides, they will do and say anything to secure it. That does not make the East any better, it is just some reality.

 

[FR8mastr]

No but they did go from Piedmont to Mid Atlantic to a Captain at PSA. How that works i will never know!

It worked that way because they are ML pilots on the ML seniority list.
Believe me many on the ML MEC would have loved nothing better than to have these pilots go back to PDT. PDT would have none of that, so after Jerry Glass testified that "all pilots are and have always been ML pilots". There was nothing left to do but treat these ex CEL pilots as the ML pilots they actually were.

 

[olympus593]

PDT Managment would have nothing to do with it, to put it correctly as nothing was signed ( as a flow back ) But how can they be mainline pilot jack stephan has spend enought time to block any flow thru and has said many time that there is no flow thru so where did thoses guy come from when did they interview?

 

[FR8mastr]

PDT Managment would have nothing to do with it, to put it correctly as nothing was signed ( as a flow back ) But how can they be mainline pilot jack stephan has spend enought time to block any flow thru and has said many time that there is no flow thru so where did thoses guy come from when did they interview?

Officially, these pilots were hired in 04.

Obviously no interview, but they did fill out all the pertinent "new hire" paperwork when they showed up for class.
It was just the perfect storm of circumstance that allowed this to happen.
The ML union did, even then, state there was no flow, I remember that was the huge risk to go to MDA at that time. Everything was an unknown.
I am not commenting if this is right or wrong, it is just what happened.

 

[olympus593]

The ML MEC state there is no flow thru? well it's signed black on white by PDT, PSA, Managment, Alpa and recognized by all. Except AAA MEC well they don't know what a binding arbitration is either, shame on the US EAST pilot for using Managment tactic against an other alpa airlines (PDT AND PSA) I hope you guy's get what you deserve... I'm sure you will one way or another

 

[FR8mastr]

The ML MEC state there is no flow thru? well it's signed black on white by PDT, PSA, Managment, Alpa and recognized by all. Except AAA MEC well they don't know what a binding arbitration is either, shame on the US EAST pilot for using Managment tactic against an other alpa airlines (PDT AND PSA) I hope you guy's get what you deserve... I'm sure you will one way or another

I agree there was to be a flow. In that agreement it said the WO pilots will flow back to their respective WO. (period) ML pilots will flow back details to be worked out later.
So you see the WO pilots were already worked out, it was the ML pilots that had to work out a flow back.
But at the time, and if you are honest with yourself you will know, the attitude at PDT was to hell with those guys, "they made their beds", I dont want to lose my upgrade screw them, etc.
Your last line was/is exactly what was going on then.
I think that ML should honor the agreement and work out a flow, but guys like you screwing over your own, while cursing the ML does not promote any cohesion with the ML MEC.

 

[olympus593]

PDT managment did not want the flow back as nothing was signed how were you force them to do it?

 

[olympus593]

PDT managment offered flow back as first year FO witch ( I agree ) was not good enought, what did you expect us to do?