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FishandFly
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I heard from a good friend that sapa and management actually orchestrated the initial "pay proposal".
Management would offer an amount lesser than the final amount allowing sapa to "refuse" it. And then the actual amount to bring you inline with the union airlines would be offered and everyone would rejoice.
Why do you all fall for that crap?
Management would offer an amount lesser than the final amount allowing sapa to "refuse" it. And then the actual amount to bring you inline with the union airlines would be offered and everyone would rejoice.
Why do you all fall for that crap?
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SAPA costs SKYW in excess of $600,000.00 per year to operate. Do you really think SGU spends this without an ROI? The EFB plan has been shelved, why? SGU refuses to fund anything that will not show a positive ROI within 2 years. SAPA, funded and maintained for the benefit of SGU, think of it like a Morman kabuki theater, drama with a dose of tragedy. Spend 10 years or so takling to DF, KH and a bunch of other MGMT types and you will hear the same things, 'specially when DF is drunk.
Wake up
PBR
Right now all there is at SkyWest:
(Crickets chirping, the wind blows in the trees, a tumbleweed crosses the field of view.)
That's right...nothing so far.
Sure, there will be something, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Of course, many will say, "we would have had to wait 3-5 years for the SAME THING if we voted in ALPA." This will, of course, show how short sighted they are, and the flaming will continue. I'm tired.
(Crickets chirping, the wind blows in the trees, a tumbleweed crosses the field of view.)
That's right...nothing so far.
Sure, there will be something, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Of course, many will say, "we would have had to wait 3-5 years for the SAME THING if we voted in ALPA." This will, of course, show how short sighted they are, and the flaming will continue. I'm tired.
FishandFly
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Pretty ironic since there is also no worse pilot group.
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Go F*ck yourself FishandFly. Some of us voted yes and are still committed to improving our profession. You are an idiot.
PBRstreetgang
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Alas, he is speaking of the MAJORITY, and unfortunately he is correct, 10 years in and I agree with him!
Enjoy your Kabuki
PBR
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I just told you, no glib reply? crickets chirping!
SAPA: we want a pay raise
JA: huh
BH: we can't get anyone to come to class
JA: why?
BH: welfare wages
SAPA: nice wallpaper, new?
JA: what if we pay them more for the 1st year?
BH: that might sucker them through the door
SAPA: love the new carpet, did you guys ever get those new tiki torches for the houseboat?
JA: you will never see the houseboat, don't worry about the torches, when we jammed PBS into your butts, we bought a whole fleet of houseboats and jet skis.
BH:HAAAHAA, JA wanna go to that strip club for lunch, I hear they have the twins dancing today
SAPA: sounds good!
JA: we weren't asking you, don't you have 5-6 trips to INK to do and pump some more propaganda out?
BH: the strippers in hotlanta are hot!
JA: SAPA you are dismissed, BH, lets go to the stripclub I haven't had a chubbie since the SKED+ joke we played on the pilots.
BH: twins here we come, I got a pocket full of twenties!
SAPA: clearance, SKYW 1234 clearance to INK.
PBR
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Whatever SAPA, ie Jerry, says it is.
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Didn't Tell You!
We told EVERYONE ELSE, Sky...... You see, we all know, and just didn't tell you and you alone. We left you out because you are the biggest god-forsaken tool in the history of the world!
-IDIOT! MORON! TOOLBAG!
We told EVERYONE ELSE, Sky...... You see, we all know, and just didn't tell you and you alone. We left you out because you are the biggest god-forsaken tool in the history of the world!
-IDIOT! MORON! TOOLBAG!
Tell us how you really feel
1st year pay up only. No need to raise anything else til' 2010. That's when our stellar pay raise is over - oh, wait add another 1-2 years for negotiations and then we will see something, maybe.
Why would SGU increase their expenses any more than they have to. Doesn't make financial sense. They are having problems getting people in the door. Read between the lines with the wording in the last email "near average" and "starting to", meaning they really are not ready or willing to touch the rest of the pay - just 1st year - get people in the door. The more people leaving off the top the better! Higher salaries gone. Younger(newer) workforce = Cheaper payroll.
It doesn't really matter - They know that we can't do anything about it anyway.
Oh well, back to things I can do something about - ahh beer....
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Gandalf:
Actually I would be to differ: sometimes investing in intangibles pays off in the long term. Part of the cost of doing business is building trust and commitment and like any other cost, you can put a price tag on it; also like any other cost, it has benefits if fruitfully pursued. Ours over the past couple of years has failed to adequately invest in that area and is seeing the negative results for lack of real investment and resources.
Actually I would be to differ: sometimes investing in intangibles pays off in the long term. Part of the cost of doing business is building trust and commitment and like any other cost, you can put a price tag on it; also like any other cost, it has benefits if fruitfully pursued. Ours over the past couple of years has failed to adequately invest in that area and is seeing the negative results for lack of real investment and resources.
How so? It looks like it paid off as far as the boys at SGU are concerned.
Glug, Glug, Glug.....That kool-aid must be spiked pretty good!
Trust and commitment….That’s funny! Ok, how do we have “trust and commitment” with SAPA in place? SAPA can’t, by the very function of the system, provide that. The system is a “dummy” system, an illusion, a mirage. All of the meetings and emails mean nothing…JA and co. can chose not to do a damn thing SAPA wants.
The “intangibles” that are provided by managements are provided in order to motivate their employees to be more productive. Increased productivity = Increased PROFITS.
SGU DOESN’T need to improve on those issues as readily as the first year pay. JA and the boys need people to come thru the front door.
As all the kool-aid drinkers are repeatedly saying, SKYW has a lot of “intangibles” that when added up, put us over the top in compensation and attractiveness to prospective employees.
Think about it, if SKYW has one of the best “workplaces” with all of these “intangibles” that people are looking for, then why are people not walking in the front door. The answer is straight forward - compensation in that first year.
Once here, most of us stay a while, which means "they" are doing some things right to keep a good deal of us here for a while.
Regionals for most are stepping stones. Attrition is attrition. The people that stay, stay for various reasons (financial, lifestyle, second or third career guys that won’t leave due to age and ability to get a decent salary and lifestyle with a major, etc). But overall the workforce is increasingly becoming those from the instructing ranks, generally younger, and those coming from other regionals. This will means that there will always be attrition.
If we reach attrition numbers such as Mesa, then that is when you might see a revisit of the rates. But, we have normal to slightly higher than normal attrition, but not unusual rates. We are trying to expand and grow. Thats the need.
If you are looking in from the board room, you want to cut or contain costs while maintaining and hopefully increasing size and scope of the business. JA and the boys can’t get people in the door. That is the big problem. The rest of it is normal occupational forces that either makes someone stay or leave. You have an at will situation and a pay agreement already in place with the pilots lasting until 2010.
Why change all of that? Why add to your expenses? Just raise first year pay, get people in, and if SKYW is “the place to work” as SGU promotes then shouldn’t the rest take care of itself? Once you have that employee in the door, all of the “feel good” stuff will make that employee stay.
Also…if the some of the most senior leave, taking their high salaries with them, and SGU is able to backfill the slots with $19.25ers then it is better financially. The incentive to keep raising pay for everyone is NOT there. Having to compete for contracts with majors means that “they” need to run it lean and mean.
And remember, just because you have “feel good” feelings from management and you really think that they care about you….they really don’t. Their job, is to maintain their job by making profits for the shareholders. If that means that they have to have some programs and incentives to make you “feel” valued and important – then that’s what they will do – they are doing what smart business owners realize. By making their employees “feel” important and valued - they will be more productive = MORE PROFITS! It's NOT altruistic. Those "feel good" things have a purpose.
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....For many years, Andersen's motto was "Think straight, talk straight."....
....Andersen(the company) also led the way in a number of areas of accounting standards. …
Predictably, Andersen(the company) struggled to balance the need to maintain its faithfulness to accounting standards with its clients' desire to maximise profits, particularly in the era of quarterly earnings reports. Andersen has been alleged to have been involved in the fraudulent accounting and auditing of Sunbeam Products, Waste Management, Inc., Asia Pulp and Paper, and the Baptist Foundation of Arizona, WorldCom, as well as the infamous Enron case, among others....
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....On July 21, 2002, WorldCom filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the largest such filing in United States history....
(Wikipedia)
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FishandFly
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That's not very saint georgian of you. I am not saying that you suck, just that the majority of your pilot group chose to degrade our profession instead of join the pack who is attempting to move things forward.
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And your definition of forward is..................?
Getting closer and closer to the bottom.....
1% raise over 4 years, a joke of an override for the 70/90 that still has left us the laughing stock, no increase for the bro, no COLA...........
An email that we just received that said oh, yeah by the way, We missed the bro pilots on the last pay package, OMG. Oh yeah, by the way, 1st year pay DOES suck, OMG. Oh yeah by the way, Our pay on the jet compared to most others DOES suck, OMG. Oh, yeah, by the way We haven't seen any movement on reserve issues, transparency issues, etc. By the way, long call reserve is NOT 12 hours! It's 2 hours, OMG....How in the world did all of this happen? Gasp..............
Forward moving.......Undercutting just about every other regional for the sake of upgrades....
Good thing we have been working on these issues for 3+ years.
We are just leading the pack with a representative group that is useless.
I am sure that industry leading SWA pilots are looking at our "FORWARD" motion and saying, "you know what.....maybe we should get rid of that pesky union....I really think management won't sell us out for even 1 penny of profit....It's working for them....."
FishandFly
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What? Are you kidding?
Your company makes a TON of money and yet your pilot group gets whatever the minimum amount the company thinks you will be content with.
The ONLY reason that SKYW pays you more than $5 bucks an hour is because the union carriers have continued to raise the bar, and your company bumped up your package to be "competitive".
Why doesn't your pilot group take ownership of some of the success that SKYW has had and push for increases in regional pilot pay and benefits?
John Pennekamp
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This reminds me of the SNL Michael Vick skit. Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdE4FIYSmk8
SAPA rolled over? Really? You mean they're an instrument of management? Really? Wow!
Damn that's funny! Funniest thing about it is that SkyTool, SKYWRJTOOL, and the other kool-aid slurpers actually believe that JA is looking out for them. The humor and the point of the post and video is lost on them -
They will see that and go....huh.....I don't get it......
.....Is there any more Kool-Aid?
"degrade our profession"
Spoken like a true idiot. It looks like Kool-Aid comes in many flavors. Keep sipping sheep.
mmmmmm.... ALPA flavor....
perhaps when you have more than a "few" hours of experience in a "few" airplanes with a "few" operators, you will see the light. Until then, enjoy being a pawn.
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