Rumor at ASA

[maddog2020]

Don't know if there is any truth to it but, I heard some talk today(you know scott hall came into my class.....etc) that Delta is going to try and charge jumpseaters. ASA, SKYWEST...etc pilots would be charged but not folks offline like SW or Fed EX pilots. The word is they are doing this so pilots cant bypass the pass charges when they travel.
Thoughts?

 

[Smoke Toliet]

Then Delta pilots can enjoy being charged on our jumpseat.

 

[buscap]

It would almost be worth it if we could hit the FEDS up!!!

 

[ohplease!]

Don't know if there is any truth to it but, I heard some talk today(you know scott hall came into my class.....etc) that Delta is going to try and charge jumpseaters. ASA, SKYWEST...etc pilots would be charged but not folks offline like SW or Fed EX pilots. The word is they are doing this so pilots cant bypass the pass charges when they travel.
Thoughts?

BS, BS and more BS

 

[sweptback]

I believe American has a system where no AA or Eagle pilot may sign up for the jumpseat unless there are no cabin seats open. This is to prevent pilots from bypassing paying for the flight.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Delta do the same, even though it will breed bad blood between the two pilot groups.

 

[rightseatjocky]

I heard this also and think it it total bullshi*. I think that if you ride the jump seat, why should you get charged for it? Total crap. If another carrier pilot can do it for free, why can't we? I guess I will be just jumping on United, Frontier or AirTran. Hmm always a way around some bs crap that Delta comes up with.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Go ahead, Delta, keep pushing us. You're going to be getting a lot of sick calls from Florida when your pilots can't get to work. Good luck with that staffing situation.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I believe American has a system where no AA or Eagle pilot may sign up for the jumpseat unless there are no cabin seats open. This is to prevent pilots from bypassing paying for the flight.
quote]

That is true... AMR loves pilots.

Even worse, Eagle pilots with less than 5 years senority have to pay to non-rev on Eagle flights.

 

[Flyer2000]

It is not that Delta is attempting to charge jumpseaters on mainline, it is more of a glitch with the software.

Here's how it goes:

SkyWest and ASA are the first to go to a mileage based fee (other DCI's to follow) for non-rev travel.

When a SkyWest/ASA pilot checks in with a J/S request the computer will have them in the cockpit J/S....no fee.

If the flight is NOT full, or there are multiple J/S requests, the gate agent will move the pilot to a cabin seat and and then the computer will put you on the non rev STBY list according to your PPR number (something a FedEx, or AA pilot does not have). When you are added to the STBY list you are automatically a "non-rev" and no longer a jumpseater.......therefore you will be charged for the flight.

Delta is supposedly working on a fix to this so that if a jumpseat request is made the non rev charge is deleted.

As long as you are riding in the cockpit jumpseat you will not be charged currently (as of Dec 04th when the fees apply).

 

[jeroom]

It is not that Delta is attempting to charge jumpseaters on mainline, it is more of a glitch with the software.

Here's how it goes:

SkyWest and ASA are the first to go to a mileage based fee (other DCI's to follow) for non-rev travel.

When a SkyWest/ASA pilot checks in with a J/S request the computer will have them in the cockpit J/S....no fee.

If the flight is NOT full, or there are multiple J/S requests, the gate agent will move the pilot to a cabin seat and and then the computer will put you on the non rev STBY list according to your PPR number (something a FedEx, or AA pilot does not have). When you are added to the STBY list you are automatically a "non-rev" and no longer a jumpseater.......therefore you will be charged for the flight.

Delta is supposedly working on a fix to this so that if a jumpseat request is made the non rev charge is deleted.

As long as you are riding in the cockpit jumpseat you will not be charged currently (as of Dec 04th when the fees apply).

This makes much more sense to me...As a Jumpseater, you are considered part of the crew, right? Would you like to pay a fee in order to work?
(I guess some people do that in South-Florida mmmh.... but that's another problem!)

 

[LAB727]

Either way it is total BS and Delta should continue to delay the changes until they can get ALL the glitches worked out.

 

[ASAFOE120]

It is not that Delta is attempting to charge jumpseaters on mainline, it is more of a glitch with the software.

Here's how it goes:

SkyWest and ASA are the first to go to a mileage based fee (other DCI's to follow) for non-rev travel.

When a SkyWest/ASA pilot checks in with a J/S request the computer will have them in the cockpit J/S....no fee.

If the flight is NOT full, or there are multiple J/S requests, the gate agent will move the pilot to a cabin seat and and then the computer will put you on the non rev STBY list according to your PPR number (something a FedEx, or AA pilot does not have). When you are added to the STBY list you are automatically a "non-rev" and no longer a jumpseater.......therefore you will be charged for the flight.

Delta is supposedly working on a fix to this so that if a jumpseat request is made the non rev charge is deleted.

As long as you are riding in the cockpit jumpseat you will not be charged currently (as of Dec 04th when the fees apply).

So to get around it, how about if when the time comes to renew your travel pass priveleges ($50) you dont. Then they wont be able to find a PPR for you and you jumpseat like an offline crewmember.

 

[DGdaPilot]

I believe American has a system where no AA or Eagle pilot may sign up for the jumpseat unless there are no cabin seats open. This is to prevent pilots from bypassing paying for the flight.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Delta do the same, even though it will breed bad blood between the two pilot groups.

That is incorrect. If you ask the gate agent for the jumpseat (and the agent isn't a prick), they'll glad give it to you and no D2 charges will show. I would know, never paid a single dime going between SJU and ORD/DFW. It's tougher to do it on Eagle sometimes, but it still works.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Delta is not trying to charge for the Jumpseat like AirTran does. Flyer 2000's post passes the sniff test. Commuters at both airlines are very concerned about the pass benefit changes and seeing as how the majority of flying is now performed by DCI, it is not hard to do the math and figure out who gets harmed the worst in this deal.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

So to get around it, how about if when the time comes to renew your travel pass priveleges ($50) you dont. Then they wont be able to find a PPR for you and you jumpseat like an offline crewmember.

Won't work because in LAS they use your PPR for the J/S. I had to pay the renewal fee because CASS isn't available at the delta gates.

 

[Flyer2000]

So to get around it, how about if when the time comes to renew your travel pass priveleges ($50) you dont. Then they wont be able to find a PPR for you and you jumpseat like an offline crewmember.

Exskydivedrivr is correct. The computer will see that you HAVE a PPR number, but it has gone inactive, and you will be denied a seat altogether unless you pay your $50.00 annual fee. You COULD, in theory, have your pass privileges revoked (turned off???) and not have a PPR number in the computer at all. Of course you would lose all travel benefits for you (non J/S) and your family. Also, if your company needs to DH you anywhere they may "re-instate" your PPR without your knowledge and then you are back to square one (this has happened to Chautauqua pilots who did not have Delta benies to begin with and then got a surprise when they went to jumpseat on Delta).

 

[maddog2020]

so...

how do we get to work without paying? I don't mind being charged to go on vacation but to pay to work is no bueno.
It kills my recent 4 dollar raise.

 

[maddog2020]

so...

oops double post.my bad

 

[Speedtape]

how do we get to work without paying? I don't mind being charged to go on vacation but to pay to work is no bueno.
It kills my recent 4 dollar raise.

Yes, and this is how they are going to recoup some of that $4. They call it Zero-net gain. Who actually pays your salary under the DCI costs flowthrough?

 

[pdub20s]

There is some truth to this rumor. I had a Delta FO JS on my flight the other day, and she said they are going to start charging ASA folks to JS or whatever.