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jvrac

jvrac

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Posted today on FLICA. Nov '06 hires awarded captain slots. A few to the 145 in BUF and a few to the CRJ in IAH and CRP. This is just an award, though. Some awards have effective dates as far as May, so it could be more like 1 1/2 years, give or take a few months.
 
jvrac said:
Posted today on FLICA. Nov '06 hires awarded captain slots. A few to the 145 in BUF and a few to the CRJ in IAH and CRP. This is just an award, though. Some awards have effective dates as far as May, so it could be more like 1 1/2 years, give or take a few months.
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That's damn scary.:eek:
 
Well, if it makes you feel any better most of the guys hired around that time came from other airlines, so they've probably been FOs at various places for at least 2 years.
 
Upgrade mins are supposed to be 2500. I haven't heard of them lowering it for anyone.
 
jvrac said:
Some awards have effective dates as far as May, so it could be more like 1 1/2 years, give or take a few months.
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All awards for this announcement have effective dates of May 1, 2008 according to the CPL memo. There could be possible exceptions for those who can begin Short Course training for The CMH RW CA upgrades. (~1 year) in the subject matter of this post is an awfully BIG stretch. These pilots will not see a classroom for several months.
 
1.5 yr upgrade to a 2 leg commute to CRP or BUF....does that really count? :)
 
I am all for an upgrade at a regional not being a drawn out process, but less than a year....that is just scary
 
is it just as scary when you have a steet captain on a crj-900 at mesaba? or a 2 year upgrade at continental? if you're qualified and pass the checkride...who gives a crap? (don't say the pax, cause as long as they get from pt A-B for the least amount of $, they don't care)
 
flyguy81 said:
is it just as scary when you have a steet captain on a crj-900 at mesaba? or a 2 year upgrade at continental? if you're qualified and pass the checkride...who gives a crap? (don't say the pax, cause as long as they get from pt A-B for the least amount of $, they don't care)
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I've flown with plenty of people who passed the checkride that don't have any real world experience. We've got people who've passed the checkride that barely have any IMC time. (Not a type ride) So I guess I'm saying that I give a crap. I think if the pax knew the experience level of some of the crews that are buzzing around the skies right now they would never board the plane. (Hell, I don't even want to go sometimes with some of the people that have come on line recently and they've passed checkrides.)
 
flyguy81 said:
is it just as scary when you have a steet captain on a crj-900 at mesaba? or a 2 year upgrade at continental? if you're qualified and pass the checkride...who gives a crap? (don't say the pax, cause as long as they get from pt A-B for the least amount of $, they don't care)
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I agree. It's not like Republishuttleaqua has ever had an incident/accident due to low time crews;)
 
my observation:

almost all the FO's I've flown with (DCA and PHL based majority) are from another 121 carrier. Mesa is by far where most of the guys I've flown with are from. Followed by PDT and Colgan with a smattering of Mesaba and Pinnicle here and there. On average it seems these guys are getting just over a year with these other carriers then jumping ship to Rep or Skywest.
 
The effective date is May. People will be going to class over the next few months inorder to meet that timeline. To those that feel our FO's are not qualified for the left seat, what would you consider a qualified fo to be?
 
I saw a former Freedom A-lister on the award - DCA 170. It was on FLICA, but I didn't look for his name on the memo that came out. Anyone see D.O. on the award??
 
Yudso said:
To those that feel our FO's are not qualified for the left seat, what would you consider a qualified fo to be?
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Hmmmm, maybe 3000TT and 1500 in type. I would be comfortable as a pax in that plane.

If you go to low and match that up with a 500hr wonder in the right seat is were the problems tend to happen.
 
liz289101 said:
Minimum hours to upgrade is 2500 hours, so where is the problem?
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Agreed, TT might be adequate. But sometimes it is better to fly in an airplane for at least a year or two before you make the 3 foot lateral move. Maybe I am just an idiot (which those who know me would not disagree), but there is a lot more to it than signing paperwork and steering. But if they are qualified, why not. No pilot has always been an "experienced" Captain.
 
liz289101 said:
Minimum hours to upgrade is 2500 hours, so where is the problem?
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If you can pass a checkride...and bring good judgement to the table...there is no problem. I've flown with 10,000 hr Captains who shouldn't be anywhere near an airplane...and I've seen low-time FO's who are ready to be Captains. The FAA has a requirement to be a CA---and that's an ATP. If you can pass an ATP/Type ride in your given a/c, get signed off on IOE, you are good to go. Whether you have 1,500 hours or 5,000 hours when you upgrade.
 
WSurf said:
Hmmmm, maybe 3000TT and 1500 in type. I would be comfortable as a pax in that plane.
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Pax are never comfortable in an RJ :) Also PAX don't know how many hours a CA and FO have, nor should they care. They buy a ticket and it is up to the airline to make sure that there are qualified people driving the bus.
 
You guys are gay, airplanes fly themselves. Quit bickering like some school girls and engage the autopilot.
 
So how about guys at the majors that go from A320 FO to DC-9 CA, never having flown a DC-9?? (for example)
 
WSurf said:
Hmmmm, maybe 3000TT and 1500 in type. I would be comfortable as a pax in that plane.

If you go to low and match that up with a 500hr wonder in the right seat is were the problems tend to happen.
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Really? All the accidents I've read about have all been with experienced crews.
 

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