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A person has to learn how to budget their money well. It's not that hard.


Not nearly as hard as learning how to piss off everyone here. You are truly legendary, Instructortard.... You have maganged to cheese off durn near everyone on the majors forum as well.

-A thing of tard beauty!
 
I think instructor dude is right on this one. Stop having kids if you can't afford them, stop credit card spending, buy used car(s), don't be stupid.
 
Especially when they still live in their parent's basement.


Yeah Instructordude is like the guy in the movie Grandma's Boy you know the one that live's with his parents still but tells everyone he live's with roommates!

I bet he has a Car Bed as well and sleep with his thumb in his mouth and is Ball's Deep into his stuff animal turttle that he sleeps with.
 
I dont think there is any way to know who will be on top in this industry. With $96 OIL, I believe that major consolidation is coming in 2008. The question is how these integrated seniority lists will be resolved. The weak US dollar is also a factor with intl vs domestic market success. UPS FDX ABX/DHL/AStar are very secure companies if the periodic night flying doesn't bother you. It's a great job but the uncertainty of this industry is gut wrenching.
 
This industry?

It's a great job but the uncertainty of this industry is gut wrenching.
What other industries are imune from uncertainity?
 
My plan is:

1.) Get hired by a Major airline by age 30.

Did that. (barely)

2.) Make Capt. by age 40.

Missed it by a year.

3.) Not get furloughed at age 45.

DOH! :crying:

4.) Dump first wife and run off with F/A with fake boobs who will later take what's left of my measly retirement.

Still working on it... ;)

5.) Get a contract flying job after retirement so I can eat.

Hummmm... Still on the "to do" list.

6.) Die in my sleep on a layover at the Hilton in Shenzhen at age 75 (747-200 F/E). :rolleyes:

TC
 
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So, now that the most of major airlines are hiring once again, how would you bet your career?

Given the fact that almost everything about our job is seniority driven, i.e., you cannot jump ship without having to start all over again from the very bottom of the food chain, it is extremely important for us to consider very carefully which airline you would want to sign up with.

Knowing what what you know about the economy and politics, domestic and global, the leadership of each company, etc., what do you think would be the best move?

Thanks for your input in advance..


I tell my wife that I only get paid once a month, when in fact it is actually twice a month. Atleast one paycheck survives the mall, hair salon, and lunch dates every month.
 
What other industries are imune from uncertainity?

pilotyip,
I know this is a personal question, but do you have any kids? If you do, are you planning on trying to pay for their college ed? Good on you if you answer yes to both questions. If not then I say that it's easy to brag about great finances when you have nobody else to support.
spacecadet
 
What other industries are imune from uncertainity?
Uncertainty? Of course not, no job is immune to risk.

However, I can't think of a lot of other industries where, if you lose your job due to furlough, company closing, etc, you have to start back on the bottom at $24,000 a year.

The way this industry is set up is borderline criminal.
 
Kit Darby said we all would be at a Major by age 32 and by retirement have well over 3 million in our retirement nest
 
Uncertainty? Of course not, no job is immune to risk.

However, I can't think of a lot of other industries where, if you lose your job due to furlough, company closing, etc, you have to start back on the bottom at $24,000 a year.

The way this industry is set up is borderline criminal.
so what is the better system, ABC company needsa 727 Capt, so they find one current and qualified just laid off by XYZ, he cheap to hire, don't have to waste any company money on training any of my 727 F/O's. Is that a better system than the senority system? Remember pilots are skilled workers by dept of labor definition, not knowledge workers.
 
so what is the better system, ABC company needsa 727 Capt, so they find one current and qualified just laid off by XYZ, he cheap to hire, don't have to waste any company money on training any of my 727 F/O's. Is that a better system than the senority system? Remember pilots are skilled workers by dept of labor definition, not knowledge workers.
We've had that discussion before but, for the sake of the edification of newcomers, the Dept of Labor did that as a POLITICAL move for both the major airlines AND the USPS lawsuit that was brought by the pilots in the USPS system (I was one of them at the time) that we weren't being given yearly raises commensurate with our position.

Every pilot here doesn't buy it... except for you I think. We all know better. You can train a monkey to fly the airplane, but you can't train the monkey to have the KNOWLEDGE of aerodynamics, aircraft performance, weather prediction, combined human factors that take several "borderline" issues and, when combined, make a particular flight a no-go item in the course of safety, or train the monkey to train another monkey.

It just doesn't pass the "smell" test, buddy.

And I've actually BEEN a Direct-Entry CA three times now, working on a 4th, so you're asking the wrong guy. Yes, OF COURSE, I think it's wrong to skip an F/O who is otherwise qualified to be the Captain at that point.

However, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about this profession should be compensated by a matrix made up of aircraft size / passenger or cargo load / and time in profession. That way, when you left your job for whatever reason, the new employer would be REQUIRED to pay you a base salary commensurate with your experience.

There should also be a NATIONAL seniority list that would REQUIRE a company to hire other company's furloughed pilots as well as upgrade internal qualified candidates before they hired more junior new-hires off the street.

There's a way to make it work, but it's going to take a LOT of work to do so. If you're too lazy to do that work, just say so, man... :)

Seriously though, you have to admit there's a problem with our current system. It was NEVER intended to watch companies rake in BILLIONS, disseminate the profits among the robber-baron CEO's, then have nothing when times get lean and take it out on the employees.

Until we fix the system to either put a cap on senior management salaries and bonuses, OR require them to share the money EQUALLY among employees should they get a payout, OR figure out a way to protect the employees from bankruptcy-imposed wage cuts and/or furloughs as a result of this industry cycle, this WILL continue.

To think we're not going to be in another down-turn in 5-7 years is naive, at best. How will we protect ourselves? Be part of the solution, don't just tell me WHY something won't work or that it just "has always been that way".
 
So, which leadership would you go with???

This discussion has taken a lot of depth here. Thanks for lots of good input.

Now let me ask you this, everyone: The leadership of which company do you think you would go with, if you had a choice?? Why?? Please try to be as objective and specific as possible.
 

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