All is quiet at Flex.

[hammer2]

With all the internal shake ups at Flexjet, it sure is quiet. I guess nothing big is happening or, IS IT THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!

 

[johnsonrod]

With all the internal shake ups at Flexjet, it sure is quiet. I guess nothing big is happening or, IS IT THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!

Too many people working on their Netjets applications.

 

[SDCFI]

With all the internal shake ups at Flexjet, it sure is quiet. I guess nothing big is happening or, IS IT THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!

Internal shakeups? Elaborate por favor.

 

[walshsfly]

With all the internal shake ups at Flexjet, it sure is quiet. I guess nothing big is happening or, IS IT THE CALM BEFORE THE STORM!

If there are, were, or will be any I don't think this is the place to talk INTERNAL matters. For any company.

 

[skydan5]

Too many people working on their Netjets applications.

The smart ones will not make a lateral move to NetJets (unless you plan to retire there). They will sit back and watch those moving over to the greener grass; meanwhile, the rest of us at Flex will upgrade faster and patiently wait for management to make our company more competitive in the frax industry. Just watch. I wouldn't want to jump ship to be at the bottom of seniority if things go sour due to another 9-11. Stability is king. My 2 cents.

As I heard someone say recently.... there are some pilots that would bitch if their company mailed them a $300,000 bonus check instead of through direct deposit and they would also belly-ache because it shifted there tax bracket. Some folks you just can't please.

 

[NoPlaneNoGain]

The smart ones will not make a lateral move to NetJets (unless you plan to retire there). They will sit back and watch those moving over to the greener grass; meanwhile, the rest of us at Flex will upgrade faster and patiently wait for management to make our company more competitive in the frax industry.

Just curious, how long are you willing to patiently wait?

 

[Fozzy]

As I heard someone say recently.... there are some pilots that would bitch if their company mailed them a $300,000 bonus check instead of through direct deposit and they would also belly-ache because it shifted there tax bracket. Some folks you just can't please.

When did you get your last bonus check?

 

[CL300Pilot]

May acutally. Has happened the past 2 years since I have been here.

When did you get your last bonus check?

 

[Guitar Guy]

May acutally. Has happened the past 2 years since I have been here.

How much was the check for? Was it a flat payout for everyone or was it a percentage of that person's earnings over a certain period?

 

[NachoMamma]

I wouldn't want to jump ship to be at the bottom of seniority if things go sour...Stability is king.

Oddly enough, that's exactly what the pilots at TWA, Pan Am, and Eastern Airlines all said too.

 

[CL300Pilot]

It is always a percentage of that person's earnings over the year based on fuel savings, days worked, execution of performance and one other item that slips my mind. Usually around 4 to 5 %. We are getting one again this year as well.

How much was the check for? Was it a flat payout for everyone or was it a percentage of that person's earnings over a certain period?

 

[Guitar Guy]

It is always a percentage of that person's earnings over the year based on fuel savings, days worked, execution of performance and one other item that slips my mind. Usually around 4 to 5 %. We are getting one again this year as well.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

[notapilot]

My crystal ball says that if changes are made it will consist of a fancy wrapped package of pretty much nothing. At best they will reduce the days to 15 and adjust the daily rate to make us feel like we are getting more money, but at the end of the year you have made no more than the previous year. They may also offer a guaranteed schedule of more days so that it appears you can make more, but you will have to work 16-18 days to realize any raise. They will eliminate pay in other areas to make up for any pennies these changes may cost. They will not mention that these areas of extra pay have been eliminated until months later crews realize they are no longer getting paid. They will not change anything in terms of rest/duty, callouts, insurance or any other QOL issues. They will not do anything that actually costs money. Sadly, this is how they have always operated. I hope I am wrong. We will see come February. If my predictions are true maybe the SkyDans of Flex will finally realize that organization is the only solution to make positive change at Flex. I am all for getting things done without a union, but after 11 years here I don't see anything happening without one.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

Oddly enough, that's exactly what the pilots at TWA, Pan Am, and Eastern Airlines all said too.

Yes, and also SWA, FDX, and UPS pilots who didn't jump ship to the likes of UAL and DAL 8 years ago.

It goes both ways.

 

[doh]

All is no longer so quiet. A new chief pilot is in our future. Change is coming, whether we like it or not.

 

[Flyingdog1]

All is no longer so quiet. A new chief pilot is in our future. Change is coming, whether we like it or not.

It won't make any difference who the chief is.

 

[vixin]

Whats happening to RH?

 

[Av8tor]

RH is gone, it is about time. Fly the line and your eyes will open up. He will not last one year.

 

[GSXR600]

Oddly enough, that's exactly what the pilots at TWA, Pan Am, and Eastern Airlines all said too.

HEY NACHO-LIBRE!!!!!

So let understand what u r trying to say mmmm!!

So what u saying is that we should start typing and forwarding our resumes to NJ and that will be the best descision ever???

 

[Mach92]

RH is gone, it is about time. Fly the line and your eyes will open up. He will not last one year.

WOW he left the office OR what forced out? Did he go to the 604?

 

[doylehargraves]

My guess is that he was asked to leave or go back to the line and, that is why he's been in limbo for a while thinking about it. I hope his first trip is to TEB Holiday Inn for 3 nights in a row.

 

[Wiggums]

Don't forget a 4am wakeup call.

 

[BombJet45]

Wow, nothing like wishing someone well. Remember what comes around goes around. I hate to see anyone lose their job.

My concern now is who will replace him. Hopefully someone who is a good liason between pilots and management. Personally I am pulling for KS.

 

[JokerFuel]

I heard they are looking at Frank Larenzo for the new CP.

 

[Club ORD FO]

RH is a good guy, I dont think this is a good thing for the pilot group. The worst part is that the new CP, whoever he may be, is not exactly gonna go to bat immediately for us. RH new his way around and new how to deal with the different higher up folks. The new person will have to learn all that.

 

[CL300Pilot]

My concern now is who will replace him. Hopefully someone who is a good liason between pilots and management. Personally I am pulling for KS.

I think this should be everyones concern and I agree that KS is the best candidate.

Rumor has it that some serious mud was slung and RH said that he had enough of the CP job. I personally had not issues with him and he took care of me when I needed it.

RH, I know you read these, welcome back to the line and away from management hell.

 

[NachoMamma]

So what u saying is that we should start typing and forwarding our resumes to NJ and that will be the best descision ever???

That's not even remotely what I'm saying...way to put words in my mouth.

What I am saying is that its very easy in this industry to get lulled into a false sense of security just because you've accumulated seniority. The attitude that "I can't leave this company and start over at the bottom of someone else's list" can be a very dangerous attitude to have. People should weigh all of the facts when making a decision about their livelihoods and those of their families, and make the best decision accordingly.

I'm not implying anything specific about any company being discussed on this board, just making an observation about a familiar sentiment.

 

[doylehargraves]

Wow, nothing like wishing someone well. Remember what comes around goes around. I hate to see anyone lose their job.

My concern now is who will replace him. Hopefully someone who is a good liason between pilots and management. Personally I am pulling for KS.

Hey I'm not saying "good riddance" to RH and he got what he deserved. I'm saying that I hope he gets thrown back into OUR reality quickly so he will realize what it is we've all been complaining about. He is a good person and it is a HUGE loss to our group, especially since we are so close to trying to get raises again. I will agree 100% that out of the ACP's, KS is our best hope. I just hope he wants the job because I can only think of about 2 people that would fill those shoes adequately. Welcome back to the line RH, you DID do a good job bro.

 

[finnjl]

That's not even remotely what I'm saying...way to put words in my mouth.

What I am saying is that its very easy in this industry to get lulled into a false sense of security just because you've accumulated seniority. The attitude that "I can't leave this company and start over at the bottom of someone else's list" can be a very dangerous attitude to have. People should weigh all of the facts when making a decision about their livelihoods and those of their families, and make the best decision accordingly.

I'm not implying anything specific about any company being discussed on this board, just making an observation about a familiar sentiment.

That is a true statement for any airline you work at. NetJets could close their doors tomorrow, so could FlexJet, etc. you never know. In general no job is really any more secure than any other in aviation. (

 

[MovingTarget]

Hey I'm not saying "good riddance" to RH and he got what he deserved. I'm saying that I hope he gets thrown back into OUR reality quickly so he will realize what it is we've all been complaining about. He is a good person...

You say he's a good person. I don't know him so I'll trust you. I've heard two or three pilots say the same thing about him. If he lasts a week or a year on the line, I just hope he'll finally develop a little respect for the pilots, the job they do and their life on the road.

Can't wait to hear what he thinks after living with our "average 9-hour duty days," PBS, rolling rest, early call outs, first day/last day issues, a rotation longer than three days, etc.... If he's any type of human, he's about to learn he's been just a bit wrong about the pilots for the last 10 years.

This could be a good thing. With his decade in the office, if he squawks an issue, maybe it will carry a little weight.

See you at the pickle bar.