ASA MEC endorses TA/Bonus formula published...

[sea6t]

I am the pilot ALPA left behind...

Looks like the FO's are gonna get the shaft. I understand the seniority payout, But FO's getting 60% of what captains get on the Contract delay payout! Why are we all not equal in that area?

I agree! Thanks, ALPA, for my $.37 raise! It almost, but not quite, covers my union dues! It's similar to Eagles ANNUAL COLA raise, only its taken 5 years?!?

And if that wasn't enough, apparently the 3 years I have been here during contract negotiations have been worth about 60% of a Captain's time, under the same work rules. It must have been tough for them, getting paid better all the while. It effectively screws the 17 year FO, who has had to endure much more BS than the 5 year captain.

I am very happy for all who got great raises- they are very much deserved, and longevity should definitely be rewarded. But why hang the FOs out to dry? Has ALPA forgotten that ASA needs FOs too? And that our votes count just as much as the Captains? Or, do our votes count 60% as well?

Maybe the Signing bonus distribution wouldn't be such a slap in the face if the work rules were a little better.

E.g.- duty rigs are great. I am happy that i will get min day pay. But, most of my days are already worth more the 3.75. There are those days when I am blocked to 4 hours, scheduled to be off at noon, but because my plane is in maintenance at Delta north, then "on its way to gate," i get off at 8PM. According to the new contract, I will be earning $1.60 an hour, up 10 cents from what I'm making today. Fan-f***ing-tastic.

And why would the union not fight for the little things, like the ability to trade partial trips?

What good will a Reserve's call me first preference be if its selected on a monthly basis? Why not a daily selection? Or better yet, model it after Eagle, where reserves actually get to bid on daily open time, rewarding the senior guys and the junior guys. They have the chance to bid for different reserve availability periods so that a commuter can bid nap reserve the first day, then 4 am reserve the last.

And what good does a commuter policy do if you have to list the airports you commute from. What about a divorced commuter with a home in NY and kids in CA? Or those of us who don't technically commute, but still travel to take advantage of what's left of our travel benefits.

What a waste of time and money! I am voting NO! Encouraging all the Skywest guys to do the same!

 

[SkyNation]

I agree! Thanks, ALPA, for my $.37 raise! It almost, but not quite, covers my union dues! It's similar to Eagles ANNUAL COLA raise, only its taken 5 years?!?

And why would the union not fight for the little things, like the ability to trade partial trips?

And what good does a commuter policy do if you have to list the airports you commute from. What about a divorced commuter with a home in NY and kids in CA? Or those of us who don't technically commute, but still travel to take advantage of what's left of our travel benefits.

What a waste of time and money! I am voting NO! Encouraging all the Skywest guys to do the same!

hmmmm...........

many of us are listening.

 

[Roxalana]

17 year FO gets treated as a captain. If you can hold a captain position, your treated as a Captain.......So tell me again, how does the 17 year FO get screwed?????

 

[shelton]

17 year FO gets treated as a captain. If you can hold a captain position, your treated as a Captain.......So tell me again, how does the 17 year FO get screwed?????

Ummm...As far as I can tell that statement is not true at all unless you are on military leave. It is based on your assignment as of Nov 12, 07.

 

[goahead]

If you want to be treated as a CA then UPGRADE, I feel no remorse for someone that didn't upgrade and now want's to. Grow up or get out of the business if you can't handle the responsibility.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I worked out the numbers. It is a fair distribution. And at what airline does an FO get the same singing bonus a CAP does? None. Thanks for playing.

Now as far as a 12 hour callout changeable on a whim to 2, and then to 10 minutes? WTFO?

 

[sea6t]

If you want to be treated as a CA then UPGRADE, I feel no remorse for someone that didn't upgrade and now want's to. Grow up or get out of the business if you can't handle the responsibility.

the responsibility.... hmm.
the issue is not so much that i would expect the senior FOs to be treated as captains, as that i would expect an ALPA-represented, dues paying pilot to be represented by ALPA. if i wanted to get screwed, i could do it for free! the senior guys take their FO pay and don't complain, or at least only complain as much as everyone else. but really- why would five years in contract negotiations be of different value for captains and FOs in the Contract Delay category? But, you know, thanks for the suggestion. Maybe i will get out of the business because I can't handle the scary, daunting responsiblity of flying a 50 seat jet around. maybe someday i will be as good a pilot as you.

 

[FishandFly]

I worked out the numbers. It is a fair distribution. And at what airline does an FO get the same singing bonus a CAP does? None. Thanks for playing.

Now as far as a 12 hour callout changeable on a whim to 2, and then to 10 minutes? WTFO?

Since when is this a signing bonus. This isn't 1984 and we should not covertly transition from reimbursement for lost pay to a Christmas present.

 

[shelton]

I worked out the numbers. It is a fair distribution. And at what airline does an FO get the same singing bonus a CAP does? None. Thanks for playing.

Now as far as a 12 hour callout changeable on a whim to 2, and then to 10 minutes? WTFO?

The argument is not for FOs to get the same signing bonus as a captain. Longevity should be rewarded, but there is no reason the portion allocated to contract delay pay should be 60% of captains for FOs. It should be equal based on years at the company during the negotiations.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Before you FOs get all wound up, I'm pretty sure that the 60% comes from the fact that you make 60% of captain pay at ASA, which is a lot more than at most comparable airlines.

Why would it be fair for you to get the same bonus a captain gets, when it's proportional to his salary, and a windfall compared to yours?

If it were that way, I'm sure none of you would be complaining. But would it still be "fair" to the majority?

 

[www.]

Before you FOs get all wound up, I'm pretty sure that the 60% comes from the fact that you make 60% of captain pay at ASA, which is a lot more than at most comparable airlines.

Why would it be fair for you to get the same bonus a captain gets, when it's proportional to his salary, and a windfall compared to yours?

If it were that way, I'm sure none of you would be complaining. But would it still be "fair" to the majority?

And the 60% is only up to 5th or 6th year pay. If your in the right seat longer than about 3 1/2 to 4 years that's your call isn't it?

 

[goahead]

And the 60% is only up to 5th or 6th year pay. If your in the right seat longer than about 3 1/2 to 4 years that's your call isn't it?

"You Are Correct Sir"

 

[shelton]

I strongly recommend telling your FO that he got the pay raise and signing bonus he deserved with this TA. He will probably offer to buy you a beer for your intellectual insight. With the new found knowledge and understanding I now have I will spend my $52.38 signing bonus on a captain hat. I cannot wait to take on all that responsibility.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Did the FO's who walked the picket lines for the past five years give only 60%?

Compensation is status-dependant; signing-bonuses are not based on your status. Now if it were retro-pay, then I would agree with you.

A signing bonus should only be based on years of service...particularly those years served while negotiating.

 

[goahead]

the responsibility.... hmm.
the issue is not so much that i would expect the senior FOs to be treated as captains, as that i would expect an ALPA-represented, dues paying pilot to be represented by ALPA. if i wanted to get screwed, i could do it for free! the senior guys take their FO pay and don't complain, or at least only complain as much as everyone else. but really- why would five years in contract negotiations be of different value for captains and FOs in the Contract Delay category? But, you know, thanks for the suggestion. Maybe i will get out of the business because I can't handle the scary, daunting responsiblity of flying a 50 seat jet around. maybe someday i will be as good a pilot as you.

Well your not a CA, and you don't UNDERSTAND the responsibility, decision making, liability, blah, blah involved with being a grown up. I have a hard time taking you serious since you've been on here for two months w/4 posts.