News Flash For Those SkedPlus Lovers...

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All I have to do is compare the summary judgment from Don's case against the letter KB sent out and I know who is putting out the propaganda.

Also, our fearless SAPA leader just sent out a letter against the union using a ploy about how ASA lost continental flying due to ALPA that directly conflicts with statements given to investors. Hmmmm. And he did that after a unanimous vote within a SAPA meeting that all SAPA officers would remain neutral on the ALPA issue in public postings.

I may not know everything but I've been around long enough to know that the majority of the bull is coming from SGU, not Herndon.

The more that SGU sends out, the more their credibility is brought into question.

Would someone at Skywest ask this SAPA person if ASA did loose it because of ALPA then why didn't Skywest pick it up if it was such a great deal.

 

[siucavflight]

Would someone at Skywest ask this SAPA person if ASA did loose it because of ALPA then why didn't Skywest pick it up if it was such a great deal.

This is a good question. I never actually thought of it that way, why didn't they pick it up?

 

[Shakenbake]

Just got home from my trip and voted. Pressing 1 is really easy and I can't believe how much better I feel. JA, BH, CC, JB, XPOO, Skynation and Hitler can all suck it!

Sincerely,
Shakenbake

 

[goodpilotithink]

As a professional Pilot I would never agree to work without a contract. Doctors and Lawyers who work at clinics and firms have contracts. Pro athletes have contracts.
Your boss Jerry at Skywest sure as heck works under a contract .
HE WOULD NEVER AGREE TO WORK WITH OUT ONE! No upper mgt. types who keep telling you you don't need a contract, just trust us, would do their jobs with out the pay and benefits in writing.
So why are you suppose to think so little of your career that you would agree to continue to work with out one?

 

[120% Torque]

Just got home from my trip and voted. Pressing 1 is really easy and I can't believe how much better I feel. JA, BH, CC, JB, XPOO, Skynation and Hitler can all suck it!

Sincerely,
Shakenbake

Nice work Shakenbake! Oh yeah don't forget to add KB to your list :smash:

 

[DrewBlows]

What have I spouted that is propoganda? But I forgot, anything Torque posts is 100% factual data, take it to the bank, the sky IS falling, truth and anything anyone says that even slightly cast the Almighty ALPA in any type of tiny little miniscule bad light is total fear mongering at its worst.

?????
YOU compared ALPA to Hitler!

Torque writes more ALPA propoganda than the whole SkyWest OCC combined. Hitler would be proud.

 

[KevinOppelt]

Man you guys or gals are so negitive. SkyWest is great compaired to my former airlines. go work for Eagle or Mesa for a couple of years then come back to SkyWest, and see if your attitude changes.. It will!!!

you can't group eagle in with mesa. minus the upgrade times, they have better pay, benefits, hard lines, and a minimun 1.75% raise per year plus a nickel on their per diem per year, 11 days off for reserves. I would take their contract over skywest in a heartbeat. oh, wait we don't have a contract. we just trust that our management will always hold up their end of the bargain. plus you can actually use your flight benefits at Eagle because you are on par with AA employees and it is not based on senority. who ever checks in first makes the flight. get a life.

 

[KevinOppelt]

take your 2% invest it and over the next 30 years with a 9% returen you would have close to 400K!! I would much rather have that then a alpa pin...(witch I already have)

or take a better contract with some quality of life benefits, a 5% raise, plus Cola at a minimum of 1% a year and invest at a 5% return and have a million. I don't understand why people don't believe that skywest could score an industry leading contract. we have the money. I think a guy named Brad got 10 million last year? It is worth a try people. worse comes to worse, when we vote ALPA in we have our current contract locked in immediatly until a new TA can be voted on.

 

[OO pilot]

XPOO, SkyNation.

With all due respect, a lot of us on this forum have been with SkyWest for +10 years. Like Torque perfectly explained in a previous thread, we have seen SkyWest going downhill in the way it treats its crewmembers for years now. I have way too many stories to illustrate that point. Most of us are far from being all pro union either. Like many, I have never voted for any union drive before, I don't care for them in general, but enough is enough. I don't think it's the magic answer but it's all I got left. I love the people I work with and always do my best for the interest of the company, but after being burned by SGU one too many times, they left the pilots no choice.
If ALPA gets voted in, SGU top brass will only have themself to blame for pushing the most anti-union pilot group in the nation to ALPA. Management has abused our good-will one too many times.

 

[HockleyPilot]

XPOO, SkyNation.

With all due respect, a lot of us on this forum have been with SkyWest for +10 years. Like Torque perfectly explained in a previous thread, we have seen SkyWest going downhill in the way it treats its crewmembers for years now. I have way too many stories to illustrate that point. Most of us are far from being all pro union either. Like many, I have never voted for any union drive before, I don't care for them in general, but enough is enough. I don't think it's the magic answer but it's all I got left. I love the people I work with and always do my best for the interest of the company, but after being burned by SGU one too many times, they left the pilots no choice.
If ALPA gets voted in, SGU top brass will only have themself to blame for pushing the most anti-union pilot group in the nation to ALPA. Management has abused our good-will one too many times.

Spot On! I agree 100%. Most people wanted to avoid this altogether. But, SGU has NO-ONE to blame but themselves.

 

[SkyNation]

OO pilot

thanks for the post. I appreciate the candor without the ever increasing levels of do.uchebaggery propagated by so many here.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

amcnd,

all you care about is your quick upgrade. even though you have experience under an ALPA regime, your thoughts and opinions don't count, because you don't see the whole picture. wait 'til you've been here for a few years, then you'll be as crusty, cranky, leftist, anti-capitalist as the rest of us.

Whaaa?
I thought you would have had your AIDS diagnosed by now, or at the very least a$$ cancer.
Go away!
PBR

 

[obadie]

I volunteered to sit reserve the other day when we were 'below min staffing' and they said they were fine on reserves...WTF?

The red arrow only means below mins for that domicile. If they were below mins company wide then they probably would of taken your offer.

 

[SkyNation]

or take a better contract with some quality of life benefits, a 5% raise, plus Cola at a minimum of 1% a year and invest at a 5% return and have a million. I don't understand why people don't believe that skywest could score an industry leading contract. we have the money. I think a guy named Brad got 10 million last year? It is worth a try people. worse comes to worse, when we vote ALPA in we have our current contract locked in immediatly until a new TA can be voted on.

are you on the OC? are you promising a 5% raise if it's voted in? are you promising a 1%COLA? are you promising that ALPA will somehow FORCE Brad and the company into sharing more of the pie? how long until we get these things?

the problem is we can't 'just vote it in and see what happens.' there is no trial period, no money back if not satisfied.

I'll bet that when we do get a contract (years away, and of course NOTHING will change in the interim, except we'll pay dues) that it'll be less than what we have now in some areas, more in others, but overall a worse deal. and the OC crowd will say 'hey, it's our first one. we'll iron out the rough spots next time.'

 

[Beergut]

All of you anti-ALPA guys think about this: Jerry ain't gonna be there forever. One day he's going to take his millions and retire and leave all of the headaches to someone else. The next guy could be an A#1 sphinctor. Then what are you going to do?

 

[SkyNation]

Jerry already has very little to do with the day to day operations. anyone in SGU will tell you that they see him less and less often, and that has been the case for a number of years. He groomed RR to run the show. Now that he is gone, it already is the higher ups that are running the show. Has been for awhile.

JO at Mesa is an A#1 sphincter. They've had ALPA for a long time. what are they doing about him?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Jerry already has very little to do with the day to day operations. anyone in SGU will tell you that they see him less and less often, and that has been the case for a number of years. He groomed RR to run the show. Now that he is gone, it already is the higher ups that are running the show. Has been for awhile.

You seem to know a lot about what is going on in SGU. Hmmmm. Very interesting.

 

[BigLebowski]

Lots of negativity. For those of us that used to work at union carriers...we know exactly what ALPA will do for you; dittly.

Listen to people that came here from other ALPA carriers...we didnt' all get together one day and make up a bunch of bs stories.

For those of you that think this company will be better if ALPA comes here, I think you will be in for a bit of a suprise.

 

[SkyNation]

You seem to know a lot about what is going on in SGU. Hmmmm. Very interesting.

right. that's from people I've talked to who live there or work at HQ. I've never even been to HQ.

you seem to be very suspect of me. why is this? what diabolical plans do you think I have for this place?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

you seem to be very suspect of me. why is this? what diabolical plans do you think I have for this place?

I don't know. You seem to bash the ALPA drive quite a bit but yet don't seem to be able to produce a realistic alternative. It kind of reminds me of when I am talking to a member of management or certain SAPA reps. Should I be suspicious? Are you a SAPA rep?

 

[SkyNation]

Should I be suspicious? Are you a SAPA rep?

no.
no.

I want what is best for us, just like everyone else. where we differ is what 'best' is and how to attain that. I'm not a fan of ALPA, and somehow that has earned me the ire of many. so be it. I want to simply be able to compare my pay, QOL, and our companies present and future prospects with our competitors and be able to say that we are doing better and will remain doing so. how will ALPA help us do that? why do you think our management doesn't want them here, except for that it will cost them money, resources, and time, which could potentially cost them business? you don't buy the line that it's purely a pride issue, do you?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

What do you suggest is a realistic alternative to ALPA?

 

[120% Torque]

Lots of negativity. For those of us that used to work at union carriers...we know exactly what ALPA will do for you.

And we know what Sapa has done the last six years for us...

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=103812

Not much to lose when you see Sapa's track record of giving away work rules like candy the past six years, management being the benefactors. Pilots wanting to try something different, that can empower this pilot group should come as no surprise . With Sapa, its been a downward spiral. The only reason Skywest is anywhere near other regionals (middle of the pack) right now is because managment used to operate differently and were committed to looking at what other carriers had, putting skywest at the top of those other companies after they had negotiated it into their contracts. This attitude abruptly changed six years ago and skywest pilots have and currently are losing ground while other pilot groups are actively improving their position or at the very least, holding their ground. For those of you happy with sliding backward on your behinds then vote accordingly. For those of you who want the ability to stop the slide and start negotiating on an equal playing feild (something you haven't been able to do with Sapa for a very long time) vote before the polls close on Nov 6. If this vote fails I suspect it will be a very long time before there is another chance to improve your negotiating position. Choose wisely.

 

[Damich]

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[Skywest Pylot]

Good post 120. It's nice to see someone back up their argument with actual documentation. I wonder why the Anti-ALPA guys/gals don't do the same? I guess that says something about their argument.

To the fence sitters/new guys,

Might be a good idea to listen to this guy (120). What he is showing you here is legitimate.

A lot of this stuff was lost when SAPA conveniently reconfigured (erased) the SAPAforums. Looks like 120 was 1 step ahead of them.