Republic's Min's

[Beechlover]

Currently 800TT/ 100Multi/ 100Inst. Anybody see a further reduction of the mins in sight? This is where I want to work! I'm about 5 months away from the mins CFI'ing my rear off, hoping they'll come down some. Thanks

 

[Tarzan]

Doing the CFI is an eye opener. It will take the edge of that pilot swagger after you see all sorts of people make the same mistakes over and over.

 

[NEDude]

Currently 800TT/ 100Multi/ 100Inst. Anybody see a further reduction of the mins in sight? This is where I want to work! I'm about 5 months away from the mins CFI'ing my rear off, hoping they'll come down some. Thanks

Wow!

I was going to say something else but what is there to say. Unbelieveable.

PS- Not a slam on the poster, more of marvelling at the current state of the pilot job market.

 

[molson247]

well if the regionals started paying more and didn't treat the pilots like $hit.....they wouldn't have to lower the mins......

but to the original poster.....the regionals blow....just CHQ doesn't blow as bad as others out there. Good luck!

 

[DrewBlows]

Currently 800TT/ 100Multi/ 100Inst. Anybody see a further reduction of the mins in sight? This is where I want to work! I'm about 5 months away from the mins CFI'ing my rear off, hoping they'll come down some. Thanks

Apply to Comair (or some other company with lower minimums) and build time there. If you are building time you might as well do it at an airline. There's nothing wrong with instructing, I did it for a long time, but the reality of aviation today is you don't have to instruct long.

 

[On Your Six]

Apply to Comair (or some other company with lower minimums) and build time there. If you are building time you might as well do it at an airline. There's nothing wrong with instructing, I did it for a long time, but the reality of aviation today is you don't have to instruct long.

Delta could sell Comair in 08 - who knows, maybe Mesa will buy it? I wouldn't go to Comair with so much uncertainty. Plus, upgrade time is ridiculously long...

I say sweat it out until you reach the Republic minimums and then go for it....

 

[pa31capt]

Instruct and get some more seat time, the wash out rate at RAH is somewhere around 40% since they lowered their mins from 1500/300. Dont shoot yourself in the foot. The rumor is some of the check airmen don't like low time guys.

 

[Trogdor]

The rumor is some of the check airmen don't like low time guys.

Wonder why.

 

[JSky26]

They've been hiring guys below those mins...

 

[willNOTfly4free]

Look into getting yourself a corporate job. I'm currently in ground school for intial at a large training facility at the DFW airport. Out of the 11 in my class, 6 are ex-airline guys. All 6 say they have no intentions of going back.

Good luck to whatever you do. Keep your options open.

 

[pdub20s]

Delta could sell Comair in 08 - who knows, maybe Mesa will buy it? I wouldn't go to Comair with so much uncertainty. Plus, upgrade time is ridiculously long...

I say sweat it out until you reach the Republic minimums and then go for it....

Thats if RAH doesnt buy us out.... even if RAH didnt...we still wouldnt have the money to buy Comair

 

[Beechlover]

Thanks for the feedback I really appreciate it! I've also heard that RAH has hired a few folks below their published mins. I think most of those were folks who went throught the ATP "RJ Standards" course. Still undecided about that. Take care

 

[McNasty]

Thanks for the feedback I really appreciate it! I've also heard that RAH has hired a few folks below their published mins. I think most of those were folks who went throught the ATP "RJ Standards" course. Still undecided about that. Take care

Just buy some beer and a PS2 or 3 it'll probably prepare you better for the 170. I don't really do anything anymore.

 

[Pilot124]

Instruct and get some more seat time, the wash out rate at RAH is somewhere around 40% since they lowered their mins from 1500/300. Dont shoot yourself in the foot. The rumor is some of the check airmen don't like low time guys.

Since they lowered their mins the washout rate has gone way up. Please do us all a favor and get some experience instructing before you come out to play. Capt'ns then have to babysit the low time guys if they do sneak past the checkride.

 

[flyguy81]

i don't like to babysit, the time will get there

 

[BoilerUP]

Any idea the number of low-time pilots hired by CHQ from 1998 through September 2001?

 

[Axel]

Judging by the number of street captains they hired during that period I'd say quite a few.

And for all you people saying to "stay away until you're good enough" -this is just a guess now- most of you are likely principled but I'd guess at least one of you would choose the right seat of a jet for $19k over the right seat of a Cessna for $15k if given the choice. I would have had the opportunity been available to me. But then I freely admit that I have no principles.

Being unprincipled qualifies me for the position of check airman at RAH. I'll be the first to admit that the lowering of the minimums has added challenge and toil to the job. Most of the new hires that I have seen, though, are eager and willing to listen and learn. Most are still getting through IOE in 25 hours.

Captain candidates, on the other hand, come into IOE with all the bad habits taught to them by the captains they have been flying with. It is, in a lot of ways, much easier to shape young minds than it is to unteach bad habits. Then when they get turned loose they can't wait to go back to their old ways, thereby bending the young minds out of shape so that I get to unteach the same bad habits in the next flock of upgrades.

Pick your poison.

 

[tweeter125]

Axel, I will be in class soon for upgrade at RAH and I would like to know some of the bad habits of which you speak. I too am still eager to learn.

 

[Beechlover]

Judging by the number of street captains they hired during that period I'd say quite a few.

And for all you people saying to "stay away until you're good enough" -this is just a guess now- most of you are likely principled but I'd guess at least one of you would choose the right seat of a jet for $19k over the right seat of a Cessna for $15k if given the choice. I would have had the opportunity been available to me. But then I freely admit that I have no principles.

Being unprincipled qualifies me for the position of check airman at RAH. I'll be the first to admit that the lowering of the minimums has added challenge and toil to the job. Most of the new hires that I have seen, though, are eager and willing to listen and learn. Most are still getting through IOE in 25 hours.

Captain candidates, on the other hand, come into IOE with all the bad habits taught to them by the captains they have been flying with. It is, in a lot of ways, much easier to shape young minds than it is to unteach bad habits. Then when they get turned loose they can't wait to go back to their old ways, thereby bending the young minds out of shape so that I get to unteach the same bad habits in the next flock of upgrades.

Pick your poison.

Thankyou for the response. Although I'm not a "kid" being retired USAF, obviously I'm new to the civilian flying world. I'm considering attending a job fair in Atlanta Nov 17th. Question.., Would it be appropriate to even approach a Republic recruiter before I have the mins? Total time will be in the 550TT with 250 Multi range. Thoughts here are to simply express my interest, shake some hands, and learn what I can about the future of the company. Maybe even leave a copy of my resume if requested.

Also, not sure if you have the answer to this.., how does Republic view the ATP RJ Standards program. I'm aware of the reduced mins.., how are the folks you see hired with this training performing? Very controversal I know. Just trying to learn all I can.

Thanks again

 

[flyer172r]

If you want to work there go talk to the recruiters. The worse they're going to say is that you need more time, in which case you're no worse off than you were before.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Oh no not 5 months!

 

[SizzleChest]

Thankyou for the response. Although I'm not a "kid" being retired USAF, obviously I'm new to the civilian flying world. I'm considering attending a job fair in Atlanta Nov 17th. Question.., Would it be appropriate to even approach a Republic recruiter before I have the mins? Total time will be in the 550TT with 250 Multi range. Thoughts here are to simply express my interest, shake some hands, and learn what I can about the future of the company. Maybe even leave a copy of my resume if requested.

Also, not sure if you have the answer to this.., how does Republic view the ATP RJ Standards program. I'm aware of the reduced mins.., how are the folks you see hired with this training performing? Very controversal I know. Just trying to learn all I can.

Thanks again

RAH knows what the RJ Standards program is. They like it. Coming in to say HI at a job fair like you described having the desire to do is precisely what those things are for. It is not tacky in any way. Leave a resume with them and apply online. Tehy will remember both....

 

[Airline Driver]

Everyone is so hung up on Flight Time. Flight time in some cases means nothing. A person with 1000hrs could very easily have more knowledge and common sense as well as out fly some people with 5000hrs. It's all relative. I realize that this is not always the case and most of the time it's not, however I have seen this in some cases. Back in World War II we had kids that were 19+ years old flying Airplanes across the oceans to fight a war. They had what, 2-300hrs??

Attitude is a big chunk of how a person does in our business. You need to hit the books, stay mentally clear, and be open to constructive criticism from time to time. Most important, Check your ego at the door!! I think that the check airman are sick of New Hires coming in thinking they know it all and that they where personally hand picked by God himself to fly Airplanes. All the FO's I have flown with thus far have been great!! I know, we like any airline, has their select few of both Captain's and FO's who need a wake up call.

My suggestion to the person who started this vine, send a resume and talk to our people. The regionals are a good place to get some great experience and learn the airline business. Not all regionals are bad, some are and some are not. I can't speak for others but RAH is not a bad place to work. It's all what you make of it.

 

[Beechlover]

Everyone is so hung up on Flight Time. Flight time in some cases means nothing. A person with 1000hrs could very easily have more knowledge and common sense as well as out fly some people with 5000hrs. It's all relative. I realize that this is not always the case and most of the time it's not, however I have seen this in some cases. Back in World War II we had kids that were 19+ years old flying Airplanes across the oceans to fight a war. They had what, 2-300hrs??

Attitude is a big chunk of how a person does in our business. You need to hit the books, stay mentally clear, and be open to constructive criticism from time to time. Most important, Check your ego at the door!! I think that the check airman are sick of New Hires coming in thinking they know it all and that they where personally hand picked by God himself to fly Airplanes. All the FO's I have flown with thus far have been great!! I know, we like any airline, has their select few of both Captain's and FO's who need a wake up call.

My suggestion to the person who started this vine, send a resume and talk to our people. The regionals are a good place to get some great experience and learn the airline business. Not all regionals are bad, some are and some are not. I can't speak for others but RAH is not a bad place to work. It's all what you make of it.

Thanks again! I agree that a persons attitude and approach in this business has a HUGE impact in overall performance. Although I'm a low time pilot, I was privilaged to fly as an AWACS flight crew member in the USAF for 17 yrs logging over 5000 hrs both as instructor and examiner in 3 different crew positions. In those yrs I've seen many different "traits" of flyers. Folks at all experience levels who are still willing and open to learn something new everytime they get in the plane are far more valuable (imo) than those who feel they've "learned what they need to know."

The the overinflated ego is an inherently dangerous mindset to get into in my experience. Nothing wrong with having confidence, I just try to emphasize developement of an attitude that fosters working as a team (CRM) and continuous learning.

 

[Leroy Smith]

Thanks again! I agree that a persons attitude and approach in this business has a HUGE impact in overall performance. Although I'm a low time pilot, I was privilaged to fly as an AWACS flight crew member in the USAF for 17 yrs logging over 5000 hrs both as instructor and examiner in 3 different crew positions. In those yrs I've seen many different "traits" of flyers. Folks at all experience levels who are still willing and open to learn something new everytime they get in the plane are far more valuable (imo) than those who feel they've "learned what they need to know."

The the overinflated ego is an inherently dangerous mindset to get into in my experience. Nothing wrong with having confidence, I just try to emphasize developement of an attitude that fosters working as a team (CRM) and continuous learning.

You sound like you are/would be a pretty great instructor. Not too many of them left anymore.

Seniority is everything when it comes to your future pay and QOL, so all the arguments for ditching instructing are very valid. My paychecks are a bit better than when I CFI'ed, and my schedule is a he!! of a lot better (I flew a LOT teaching). But I have forgotten so much about flying by driving a RJ for the last few years. And I do not have nearly the sense of personal satisfaction that I did then.

If you want my career advice, do whatever you need to do to get on the seniority list of your chosen regional ASAP. My personal advice to you is to teach a little longer, give a few more students a strong foundation in aviation, learn some more in the process and enjoy it for what it is while you are there. GA as we know it may be gone in a few years, and there will be nothing but "academies" doing ab-initio training.

When I was there, I was anxious to get here (although I stayed a bit longer than most, over 1500hrs of instructing). Now that I am where I wanted to be, I kind of wish I could go back.......

 

[DeGioiGT]

ok so the 800 hour mins are true then. i just heard from a freind. i also heard from someone else that the e170 min age went from 23 to 21. can anyone confirm this. im 22 with 1500 hours and about 800 in a e120. i was gunna hold out till i turned 23 and try for the 170 but if the age is lowered i would apply sooner.

 

[Pilot124]

They are hiring in the E170 at age 21. My buddy will be in class in late Nov on the 170 and he's 21.