To anyone interested in US Airways

[loser]

Before you accept a job at US Airways you should probably know of a pending grievance brought forth by the wholly owned subsidiaries of Airways. As part of our 2002 restructuring agreement we were granted a flow through to the mainline, which 2 years later was accepted and implemented by management.
i.e. There are pilots now working at US Airways who flowed there from the wholly owneds. MGT no longer recognizes our flow through rights and as a result we have filed a grievance. Our case is VERY strong and we are asking that anyone hired off the street on or after Nov 5th be placed junior to any pilot currently employed by a wholly owned.... roughly 1,000 pilots. Please use this information when making your decision - you may end up significantly more junior than you first expected.

I have attached an excerpt from our contract for you to read.

Following the recall of all furloughed US Airways pilots, pilots employed by a Participating Wholly-Owned Carrier shall be eligible to flow through to any new-hire US Airways pilot positions in order of their seniority on the integrated seniority list of pilots of Wholly-Owned Carriers”–i.e., the Combined Eligibility List (CEL).

 

[JetMonkey]

What was the ratio for that flow through back then? I came from an express carrier that had a flow through of 3 to 1, for every 3 pilots hired one had to flow up from the wholy own. If you had something like a 3 to 1 or 2 to 1 then you need to factor that in instead of EVERYONE from the wholy own going directly on top of every off the street hire.

 

[Crzipilot]

In the language in the agreement there was no ratio. It simply stated that a WO pilot could flow up to an open postion at mainline...

 

[calfo]

shall be eligible

I don't see many guarantees in this loophole.

 

[BSkin]

In the language in the agreement there was no ratio. It simply stated that a WO pilot could flow up to an open postion at mainline...

No ratio, could flow through? -- seen this type of language before -- good luck.

 

[steveg]

So the wo's are beginning to adopt the same sense of entitlement that the usair pilots have. Nice.

What exactly are you trying to do here? Threaten the people just trying to get a job?

I get more and more disgusted with this job every day.

 

[Captain Overs]

Before you accept a job at US Airways you should probably know of a pending grievance brought forth by the wholly owned subsidiaries of Airways. As part of our 2002 restructuring agreement we were granted a flow through to the mainline, which 2 years later was accepted and implemented by management.
i.e. There are pilots now working at US Airways who flowed there from the wholly owneds. MGT no longer recognizes our flow through rights and as a result we have filed a grievance. Our case is VERY strong and we are asking that anyone hired off the street on or after Nov 5th be placed junior to any pilot currently employed by a wholly owned.... roughly 1,000 pilots. Please use this information when making your decision - you may end up significantly more junior than you first expected.

I have attached an excerpt from our contract for you to read.

Following the recall of all furloughed US Airways pilots, pilots employed by a Participating Wholly-Owned Carrier shall be eligible to flow through to any new-hire US Airways pilot positions in order of their seniority on the integrated seniority list of pilots of Wholly-Owned Carriers”–i.e., the Combined Eligibility List (CEL).

"Could" is the key word. Get a clue. I've been through this sort of thing before. Your problem is that you don't have a number at Airways, you simply work for an Express Carrier. Good Luck with that one!

 

[Axel]

I dunno...

I don't see the word "could" anywhere in the exerpt, but I do see the word "shall." The word "eligible" muddies the waters a bit but there may be a fight here.

Have there been settlement discussions and/or when is the case docketed for a hearing?

 

[loser]

I'm sorry if I sounded threatening, that wasn't my intention. As far as a ratio, there will be some sort of ratio - however, off the street new hires will not be slotted in with the seniority list from the wholly owneds, but rather at the bottom. When this flow was utilized in the past 100% of the jobs went to wholly owned pilots. We realize that we won't recieve 100% of the jobs now but we do intend to protect the seniority that was intended to be ours via our restructuring agreement. Seniority which we took pay concessions and contractual concessions for.

As far as a date for arbitration, that has not yet been set. We are still in on going discussions with the company and various unions in an attempt to settle this thing amlicably. We are close and hope to resolve our differences prior to the first new hire class. If we fail to do so then we will proceed with the grievance.

 

[GOTAFLY]

loser,

you are owed nothing. why don't you try and interview like everyone else? Flow through was set up for the losers that can't get hired any where else