Netjets vs CAL

[brokeflyer]

lol......does that come with Air and power windows too?


thanks but Netjets is the only way to go.....

ill give ya credit for being loyal but maybe you should come to netjets too.....im a 3yr captain and when the contract gets amended ill be at 93k W2 workin 7&7......lol

 

[t-bone]

thanks but Netjets is the only way to go.....

Is it?

Don't get me wrong, NetJets seems like a great place to work, and more power to you if this new TA passes...but how does that saying go "A rising tide raises all ships"...

 

[johnsonrod]

I am in the same boat trying to figure out if this choice is for me. I live on the west coast and there simply is no real opportunity to live west and have a good quality of life and income at JetBlue. They do way to many redeyes and the pay is just not there. I have been there two years and I am considering going to NetJets also. I am tired of the lack of real job security. Plus I will not be a captain on the bus out west for god knows how long. So if I can live in the bay area and be a capt at netjets in 5 years I might be better off. If the soft pay is there then I would not have to take much of a pay hit. Its time to consider it. Let us know what your decision is. I'll do the same.

If I were you I would get a NJA application in soon regardless so that it will be in the interviewing pipeline. You can always turn down the interview or the job if the TA result does not go your way. If the TA does pass, expect a huge number of resumes from people who want to improve their QOL and move close to home, etc. with the new domiciles and relatively good pay.

Regardless, I hear NJA is a great place to work from friends who are there now.

 

[skysharke]

XO Jet sounds like a great opportunity. That would be a sweet upgrade.Do you have Jump seat agreements with any airlines? Is the pay comparative with Net Jet or is it better for longevity?
What kind of benefits do you have(vacation, medical)?

 

[brokeflyer]

Do they pay your medical insurance 100%?
do you work more than 182 days per year?
How's the union?
How much is year 1 FO pay?
Can you live anywhere and base at home airport?

 

[jaybird]

Do they have a fatigue clause?
Do they get you crew meals? (or a choice of meals?)
Hows the training?
Are you paid during training?
Can you say NO, I'm not going, it's not safe?

 

[t-bone]

Do they pay your medical insurance 100%? Yes, for the employee. We pay about 10% for the family

do you work more than 182 days per year? yes, 205. But I have not been on the road for an entire rotation in months. Got home for 2 nights in the middle of the last rotation, watched Sunday football from the comfort of my own couch.

How's the union? Don't have one. Is that a bad thing if it's not needed?

How much is year 1 FO pay? 50K. How long to upgrade at NJA? Less than a year here.

Can you live anywhere and base at home airport? Yes.

I'm not trying to take anything away from NetJets. But to say it's the only place to go is a subjective statement. Does NetJets have a business model that results in 18% deadheads? Does NetJets have a model that can 'turn-off' outside charter to minimize the need to sell off flights to outside vendors during the peak travel season. Does NetJets have the ability to market itself to customers outside its own client/owner base in order to fill that repo flight to Hawaii?

If yes, then I stand corrected. If not, it's time to admit that there is a new player in town.

 

[t-bone]

Do they have a fatigue clause? We don't have a contract, so no we don't. But we get 12 hours of rest after 2 consecutive duty days exceeding 12 hours. We also get 12 hours of rest after a red eye.

Do they get you crew meals? (or a choice of meals?) They sure do! Those Rudy's lemon bars are great. They also pay for all of our meals on the road. It's a tough call between the Kung Pao Chicken or Double Pan Fried Noodles at PF Changs...maybe I'll get both!

Hows the training? Single-day 6 month recurrent at Simuflight and progressive check on the 12 month recurrent.

Are you paid during training? We sure are!

Can you say NO, I'm not going, it's not safe? We sure can. I just did it last week. Chief Pilot was 100% supportive of my decision.

All that without a union!!!

 

[brokeflyer]

ok good stay there then......lol

 

[NJA Capt]

Does NetJets have a model that can 'turn-off' outside charter to minimize the need to sell off flights to outside vendors during the peak travel season.

As a matter of fact yes. We turned off XO Jet.

Does NetJets have the ability to market itself to customers outside its own client/owner base in order to fill that repo flight to Hawaii?

NJ doesn't need to. It's profitable without it. As a matter of fact, we even stopped charging the pax for int'l repo legs.

Lets not write off NJA just yet, XO needs a few years in the minors first. By the time XO finishes deliveries of its CL300s and Ce750s, they will have approx 100 airplanes. NetJets has been in business for 43 years and currently has 700 aircraft based in 3 countries.

 

[niteflyr]

Anyone have the pay scales for XOjet? Can't find them anywhere. Just curious if this is the fractional version of the RJ entering the airline world.

 

[brokeflyer]

As a matter of fact yes. We turned off XO Jet.

NJ doesn't need to. It's profitable without it. As a matter of fact, we even stopped charging the pax for int'l repo legs.

Lets not write off NJA just yet, XO needs a few years in the minors first. By the time XO finishes deliveries of its CL300s and Ce750s, they will have approx 100 airplanes. NetJets has been in business for 43 years and currently has 700 aircraft based in 3 countries.

Right on!!.....its gonna take a bit more than "we got 10 airplanes on order!!!" to get me to jump....

not even flex or shares or options are considered competition anymore.....you should be trying to stick together as pilots rather than saying "my company is better than yours".

Th eonly reasons the airlines pay so ********************ty and have sucj crappy work rules is because pilots accept the job.

 

[brokeflyer]

Anyone have the pay scales for XOjet? Can't find them anywhere. Just curious if this is the fractional version of the RJ entering the airline world.

I think its more like the "$9.95 dial-up provider"

no offence......just a lotta places are trying to jump on board while money is hot....

 

[X-rated]

Anyone have the pay scales for XOjet? Can't find them anywhere. Just curious if this is the fractional version of the RJ entering the airline world.

Yep, 1st year pay at XOJET = 5th year capt pay at NJ. This is not flame, just fact.

 

[t-bone]

Is it?

Don't get me wrong, NetJets seems like a great place to work, and more power to you if this new TA passes...but how does that saying go "A rising tide raises all ships"...

You guys are too funny. Who said anything like "my company is better than yours"? All I said is there are more options to consider than simply NetJets, which I clearly acknowledged as a great place to work!

I can't wait to hear what your response is to this, but it seems to me that you feel threatened at the mere notion that there could be another good company to work for.

As for turning off XOJet...Thank You. We've never been more profitable since then, and our ability to plan ahead and maximize the utilization of our aircraft has never been better. But to mention turning us off in the context of not needing the supplemental uplift is misleading. Sure, we had an incident. But if I recall, you've had 4 of the same type in the past 12 months. By my math, you aren't qualified to fly your own trips!

Let's call it how it is.

 

[X-rated]

lol......does that come with Air and power windows too?


thanks but Netjets is the only way to go.....

ill give ya credit for being loyal but maybe you should come to netjets too.....im a 3yr captain and when the contract gets amended ill be at 93k W2 workin 7&7......lol

Good for you! I'm a two year captain at XOJET, and my CURRENT base pay is 94,500 working 17/15. (193 days) Oh, but like T-Bone said I get home all the time on my rotations, so it's not nearly 193 days. When we get our new pay package my base will easily be more than 10% higher than yours. Oh, but you do get to fly the U-boat, or is it the Beechjet? I'll probably be in left seat of a Gobal Express before you even learn how to start an APU.

 

[Diesel]

no offense thinking that a 9 day tour is not a 9 day tour when you sit at home is like thinking that per diem should be factored into your paycheck. Or that the 18 day schedule isn't bad because you sit at home.

Eventually you'll start doing the full 9 days. 7 is tough. I do 9 every once and a blue moon and its unbearable. The only good thing though is I only do 9 on my choice.

D

 

[t-bone]

Diesel,

I totally agree. 9 days on the road blows. But a 9 day rotation with 1 or 2 nights at home in my own bed sure makes a huge difference. I used to work 14 on and 7 off, and that was awful. The point I'm trying to make is that we aren't always gone for 9 days straight. Sure, it happens, but not all the time. And for the family guy, a few unexpected hours at home having dinner with the family can make all the difference in the world when it comes to morale.

A slight difference to note is that our days 1 and 9 are transition days that overlap with the other rotation. So if a crew is bringing the airplane home at the end of their day 9, the new crew doesn't go out until their day 2. Conversely, if the old crew gets home at the end of day 8, they get day 9 off and the new crew starts on day 1.

 

[niteflyr]

Sounds like a decent payscale, good to hear!

I have an occasional overnight at home and have decided I am better off in a hotel. It is usually 10-12 hours off and I get more rest if I just stay away. Too much on the to-do list if I try and go home for the night and get any rest. Maybe if it happened more regularly I would be able to deal with it better, who knows.

Oh, and X-rated- this is not a mine is better or bigger than yours discussion, just a sharing of information. Keep the "I fly a X" ego's out of it. I have sat in a X and I am perfectly content in my roomy little Hawker 800XP even at M.79. It sounds like XOjet is putting some decent pilot jobs out there and that is good for everyone, who cares what you are flying anyway. I actually thought it was pretty cool when I could say I was flying an Ultra for 90K per year. My airline friends loved hearing that.

 

[t-bone]

Yeah X-Rated, take that Global and shove it! Oh wait...you're on my team...

But that still was pretty funny!