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it does, though I disagree. Mngmnt/SAPA is not winning 'hearts and minds' in their little visits to new hire classes. That is maybe 5 or 6 minutes, if at all, that newbies are exposed to them. I believe that if they become fans of our way of doing things here, that comes after the time they spend online. It is then that they can compare us to where they came from-of course tons of Mesa, but also AWAC, TSA, ASA, Comair-you name it. It has been very disconcerting to hear so many swiftly disregard those of us who've come from ALPA regionals by saying that 'we just don't see the big picture' or that 'we just care about a quick upgrade' or whatever lame excuse du jour is being used.

As for SWOL, I get way more messages there from members of the OC than I do from the company about unionizing. All of their messages direct me to skywestalpa.org, where I can get all other questions addressed. I give the OC much more credit in their dissemination of info vs. that of the company's. Not to mention all of the OCs lunches, fliers, leaflets, pens, lanyards, stickers, etc. that have been ubiquitous in crew lounges, locker rooms, airplanes, etc. The company message boards I never read, nor am I compelled to when I check in for work. Look at my eTrip, print it out, read pertinent mail, that's it. Even sapaforums is dominated with the OC and their message. (which reminds me, why don't you post all your thread there? isn't that the audience you're hoping to convince?) There is no 'lack of venues' to get their information out.

I don't see ALPA at any disadvantage at all in their desire to communicate with the pilots here.

I'm sure you (and others) will disagree. However, don't you think that what it comes down to is very simple: if the pilots at SkyWest wanted a union, they would have voted one in long before now. The case seems to be that they don't want one.

SERIOUSLY WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?!!! I am only aware of one or two posts EVER put on Skywestonline by Alpa, that was after they got a temporary restraining order so they could have the ability to communicate with the pilots just like management does but I'm pretty sure that has ended or is not being pushed. You saying whatever you want on this message board that goes against all the facts, does not make it so. Is this Livingston? Seriously you have many simularities with him and I mean that in a bad way. Just for the record I went back and checked the last message I could find from Alpa on skywestonline and it was June second, ALMOST SIX MONTHS AGO. Please immediately reconcile your statement with some proof:

"As for SWOL, I get way more messages there from members of the OC than I do from the company about unionizing"

The last two weeks alone have shown sapa/management littering the company email with their anti-union emails. Once again I am holding your feet to the fire to give me PROOF of what you just said....You sir have been caught in a lie while trying to further your anti-union agenda.

PS- And don't try to convince us, while backpeddling, that it was just people here and there from the OC who said they just liked talking to you. No such emails have gone out on a person to person basis and alpa hasnt sent any recent ones to my knowledge. None to me, none to my friends. Why would you be singled out for these "secret emails"? I have a feeling this is going to be gooood!
 
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I'm sure you (and others) will disagree. However, don't you think that what it comes down to is very simple: if the pilots at SkyWest wanted a union, they would have voted one in long before now. The case seems to be that they don't want one.--Skynation

But you would like to go (most likely) to a MAjor Airline that is most likely UNION
CAL,AA,DAL,UAL, should I go on.

Why don't you go to Skybus, or Virgin..
 
guess I touched a nerve?

unfortunately, SWOL ditches messages you delete after a short time, so my 'trash' bin only shows stuff as of about a week ago. however, my inBox still has an email from PA, SLC Captain and OC guy encouraging me to vote. He's also sent me PMs via sapaforums. I don't think he even knows who I am, and I'm sure he sends these to everyone.

I agree, though, that we don't get as many SWOL messages from the OC as I thought. However, their message has been presented, and I don't think you could have worked here during their campaign and not heard what they have to say.

I will trust the pilot group to make an informed decision, will you? I'll back that decision, will you?

I think it'll break down something like this:

35-45% or so will vote YES

the remainder won't vote, because the duly delivered message by the OC won't be compelling enough.

you didn't answer my question as to why your lengthy posts are found here instead of the internal forums. isn't that you're audience?

PS-never met DL, only know his name from the forums. No, I'm not him.
 
But you would like to go (most likely) to a MAjor Airline that is most likely UNION
CAL,AA,DAL,UAL, should I go on.

Why don't you go to Skybus, or Virgin..

Majors v. Regionals, totally different things.

but alas, I don't plan on going anywhere, I'm too old and like where I'm at.
 
I agree, though, that we don't get as many SWOL messages from the OC as I thought.

I have a feeling there are a lot of things that “you thought” that are not true.

If Sapa remains the representative structure it will be because pilots were apathetic, un-informed, or chasing some personal goals connected with management and or Sapa. So no I would not concede that Alpa not being voted in represents an “informed decision”. I would back a certified Sapa until some real representation was on the property. It would be important to knock the termite riddled support beams down, chase the rats out, lay a new cornerstone and build from there. Even then it’s a near impossible battle compared to what Alpa has to offer. I would work within that framework however until it could be converted into something dedicated to pilots alone, free from all management manipulation and rat nesting.

Now let me ask your next question for you and save you some typing:

Skynation: 120, you understand that Alpa is bad and has no place at Skywest? If the vote fails its proof….admit it?! You must concede that Alpa is just trying to get regional pilots money, not unlike a pickpocket wandering the streets lifting money from anyone they can. They have no national agenda for pilot pay and working conditions…give me a break, they are just after that huge wad of cash in your pocket! You really must agree that Alpa is a business, the head of which are some grey haired old men smoking pipes at some secret hideout laughing as they stockpile all the regional dues money in offshore bank accounts? The regionals are their biggest source of revenue you know?

At least tell me that you understand Klen B really is a wonderful guy deep down inside and he’s doing what’s best for this pilot group? No two ways about it, he’s a fair person that you should be proud is in one of the highest positions of authority at Skywest. You know that right? Admit that Tony F is a standup guy and the company is doing the right thing defending his position all the way to the supreme court if necessary. You want guys like Tony on that wall, you need guys like Tony on that wall?! I mean you must be able to see these are true leaders and men of character?

Don D? You sure you want to go there?! He’s a bad apple through and through but you knew this all along. I mean he lied about that cork board, there's no getting around it. Tony said it is so, two handwriting recognition specialists hired by Tony said it was so, Sapa reps and company employees working at headquarters said he did it and last but not least Klen said he did it. This isnt about safety or bruised egos, this is about something much deeper, cork boards and swear words. Sixteen year employee or not writing on cork boards and lying about it will get you fired, Alpa or no Alpa. You knew this though so why am I explaining it here? I dont know. But continuing on, Don didn't get "screwed" and your mighty Alpa wouldn't have changed ANY of how this played out, admit it?! I mean if a pilot ever did slip in between the cracks (has never happened yet thank goodness) he can do just like bad Don did, secure $150,000 dollars, find a good labor attorney, and without any other gainful employment, sue for the next two years taking his family to hell and back with him. Sure, Don had an impeccable record at Skywest and seemingly was loved by all, but really we know the truth as told to us be a management team who is "fair and consistant in all they do". Don was a bad apple plain and simple and needed to be taken out. Sapa made the right decision kicking the door shut as he left too I might add. Alpa just empowers guys like this. Is that what you want 120, a bunch of Don D's running all over our faithful management team that has been here for 33 years plus and been on fishing trips, even with the bad apples of the company. Our management knows best. Do we really want to jeapardize giving the bad apples more power to fight with our leaders and create more disruptions such as we have just seen here?!

Alpa and their safety this and that….their medical doctors and attorneys, all that hoopla about raising the bar. Their political rumblings in Washington pretending to work on safety rules and legislation “protecting pilot’s rights”. We don’t need it and you know it. Admit it?! Admit it?! For once tell the truth 120, this pilot group is better with Sapa. Oh sure they have had their problems but this time is going to be different. You understand that Bill Schleuter is the new blood we have been waiting for? Mark N. he was an enemy to all pilots what with his wiley ways of exposing the inner workings of Sapa. He just about ruined the good working relationship we have spent years developing but then again you already knew that. Deep down inside you have to admit with Chip C finally in place, all the planets in alignment, evil RR finally gone, some things are gonna change around here, but you have known this all along, you just wont confide it to the ladies and gents on this board. Why do you keep these nuggets of truth to yourself 120?!

Alright, I’ll come back to my original question, admit that if Alpa is not reigned in on this vote it’s because every pilot at Skywest understood all the information there is to know, had the background and experience to obtain said information, were as accessible to Alpa as they were by management. They understood that all those days they are getting off with Skedplus is just a temporary measure that by coincidence just got implemented along with shell games errrrr new airplane announcements? That this vote outcome had nothing to due with a so called “management spin machine” that had more venues, media and means of delivery. Alpa was at no disadvantage….admit it?! Admit it?! Admit it?!

120% Torque: NO
 
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guess I touched a nerve?

unfortunately, SWOL ditches messages you delete after a short time, so my 'trash' bin only shows stuff as of about a week ago. however, my inBox still has an email from PA, SLC Captain and OC guy encouraging me to vote. He's also sent me PMs via sapaforums. I don't think he even knows who I am, and I'm sure he sends these to everyone.

I agree, though, that we don't get as many SWOL messages from the OC as I thought. However, their message has been presented, and I don't think you could have worked here during their campaign and not heard what they have to say.

I will trust the pilot group to make an informed decision, will you? I'll back that decision, will you?

I think it'll break down something like this:

35-45% or so will vote YES

the remainder won't vote, because the duly delivered message by the OC won't be compelling enough.

you didn't answer my question as to why your lengthy posts are found here instead of the internal forums. isn't that you're audience?

PS-never met DL, only know his name from the forums. No, I'm not him.



You're "sure of" a lot of things that aren't true...I've never gotten any email from PA SLC Captain and OC guy, nor has anyone I've flown with!
 
As for SWOL, I get way more messages there from members of the OC than I do from the company about unionizing.

BULL$HIT!

The exact opposite is true,

Everyone, put SKYNATION on your ignore list, he is a flat out LIAR, if we caught him on this lie, how man other facts has he lied and gotten away with?

EFF YOU Skynation!
 
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Shouldn't we put a pilot who is no longer working for any airline, and is depleting his user time before oficially quitting, on the ignore list when it comes to ALPA related threads?
 
Show me a non-Union pilot group that can threaten to do anything (other than cower behind a rock while their mgmnt shoves a hot rod up their åss).
How many furloughs and paycuts have they skywest folks had? Now, what about Delta, United, AA, Comair, Etc......But they have alpo, why the loss of so much? Let skywest folks "cower", I haven't heard any complaints from my skyw jumpseaters! Would you rather have alpa fighting your battle? It's the blind leading the blind! GO alpa?
 
There is a breakdown of the union dues on www.skywestalpa.org It shows how the "big airlines" subsidize the small ones.

By the way, NO UNION DUES ARE USED TO LOBBY! Let me say this again, NONE of the 1.95% goes to lobbying ANYONE. The lobbying money comes from VOLUNTARY contributions to the ALPA Political Action Committee. This money is only used for lobbying Congress. NONE of it goes to presidential candidates.
 

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