Flight Options Vacation Changes

[WabiSabi]

How many non-union careers and small business are going to take the hit cause of union work actions in the GM strike? How many dealership non-union workers will be affected? Will you support your local union brothers when YOU can't get your car fixed cause there aren't any parts available?

Can you smell it yet?

Hello again Bob,

How many nonunion careers and small businesses will be affected by the race to the bottom and the Wal Mart-ization of the world?

Yes, I have been smelling it and it stinks. That's why I voted yes to the IBT @ FLOPS.

 

[fischman]

The stench deepens. GM is out on strike nationwide, baseball can't get steroids out of the game because of the union and the Flight Options pilots are going to play games with the "rules" rather than negotiate in good faith. How many non-union careers and small business are going to take the hit cause of union work actions in the GM strike? How many dealership non-union workers will be affected? Will you support your local union brothers when YOU can't get your car fixed cause there aren't any parts available?

Can you smell it yet?

Sir, nobody cares what your opinion is.

 

[1folinepilot]

The stench deepens. GM is out on strike nationwide, baseball can't get steroids out of the game because of the union and the Flight Options pilots are going to play games with the "rules" rather than negotiate in good faith. How many non-union careers and small business are going to take the hit cause of union work actions in the GM strike? How many dealership non-union workers will be affected? Will you support your local union brothers when YOU can't get your car fixed cause there aren't any parts available?

Can you smell it yet?

Bob, The only stench I smell is your scabby bull sh!t!

I see that you are distorting the truth on why the Union at GM is striking. The employees are striking to protect their jobs as GM Management is trying to shift production to non-union Mexican plants and away from the Union plants in the US. GM's Management claims that they need to cut labor costs to remain competitive with the Asian automakers and they need to cut labor costs by 25 dollars an hour. Funny thing is that if GM management built a competitive product and ran their company efficiently, they would hold their own against the Asian automakers.

Bob, GM's outsourcing its production to cheaper Mexican labor is no different than how you are screwing the employees of this company right now with your practice of farming out our MX to third party vendors and using contractors in our shops instead of paying our MX employees to work on our airplanes. Your plans to use non-Union pilots or contract pilots to fly the Phenon-300 will also fail.

The sooner you come to the table to negotiate in good faith, the sooner Flight Options will be profitable!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Bob, The only stench I smell is your scabby bull sh!t!

I see that you are distorting the truth on why the Union at GM is striking. The employees are striking to protect their jobs as GM Management is trying to shift production to non-union Mexican plants and away from the Union plants in the US. GM's Management claims that they need to cut labor costs to remain competitive with the Asian automakers and they need to cut labor costs by 25 dollars an hour. Funny thing is that if GM management built a competitive product and ran their company efficiently, they would hold their own against the Asian automakers.

Bob, GM's outsourcing its production to cheaper Mexican labor is no different than how you are screwing the employees of this company right now with your practice of farming out our MX to third party vendors and using contractors in our shops instead of paying our MX employees to work on our airplanes. Your plans to use non-Union pilots or contract pilots to fly the Phenon-300 will also fail.

The sooner you come to the table to negotiate in good faith, the sooner Flight Options will be profitable!

Keep telling y'all, I ain't Bob! (but I'm starting to like him alot!) The union ain't gonna make the company profitable... it's only going to jeapardize jobs and the company. Unions don't help any airline, and Options is way to small to withstand the hit.

 

[400pilot]

The union ain't gonna make the company profitable... it's only going to jeapardize jobs and the company. Unions don't help any airline, and Options is way to small to withstand the hit.

So.........how do you explain Netjets? Also, we aren't an airline. We keep telling you, but you don't seem to listen.....

 

[1folinepilot]

Keep telling y'all, I ain't Bob! (but I'm starting to like him alot!) The union ain't gonna make the company profitable... it's only going to jeapardize jobs and the company. Unions don't help any airline, and Options is way to small to withstand the hit.

Bob, Your slash and burn mgt style is definatley not working! Once you start working with your employees instead of bleeding them dry, Flight Options will grow and be profitable! Look at Net Jets or do you have your head too far up your ass to see what is going on around you?

 

[fischman]

Keep telling y'all, I ain't Bob! (but I'm starting to like him alot!) The union ain't gonna make the company profitable... it's only going to jeapardize jobs and the company. Unions don't help any airline, and Options is way to small to withstand the hit.

Really? You sure about that? Do you need an example?


Sir, nobody cares about your opinion.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Sir, nobody cares about your opinion.

If that person you call "nobody" doesn't care, that's OK. However, I consider the rest of the readership "somebody" and a very intellegent group of pilots. I'm certain they would prefer not to be insulted by you calling them "nobody".

 

[WabiSabi]

If that person you call "nobody" doesn't care, that's OK. However, I consider the rest of the readership "somebody" and a very intellegent group of pilots. I'm certain they would prefer not to be insulted by you calling them "nobody".

This is a lame attempt at word twisting and taking things our of context. It is obvious that your perception of reality and objectivity suffers from a similar distortion. On the other hand, if you think you're fooling anyone, you're woefully mistaken and arrogant.....and it is certainly a misplaced arrogance.

 

[Ultra Grump]

If that person you call "nobody" doesn't care, that's OK. However, I consider the rest of the readership "somebody" and a very intellegent group of pilots. I'm certain they would prefer not to be insulted by you calling them "nobody".

If you're so happy about being management at a "non-union airline," why do you care so much about what is happening at Options?

 

[netjetwife]

Good question, UG! Be prepared for the sound of tap dancing in the background if you get a response...

 

[B19 Flyer]

If you're so happy about being management at a "non-union airline," why do you care so much about what is happening at Options?

I've stated this before, but I'll say it again. My interest is actually for my friends at a different fractional where I was affiliated for a short time between layoffs. This board is read by all and is a great example of all the reasons not to bring a union on to the property.

 

[dime line]

Keep telling y'all, I ain't Bob! (but I'm starting to like him alot!) The union ain't gonna make the company profitable... it's only going to jeapardize jobs and the company. Unions don't help any airline, and Options is way to small to withstand the hit.

Then if the company isnt profitable, then it should not be in business!

 

[netjetwife]

It's common knowledge that motivated workers are more productive. NJA also tried to tell the pilots that giving them a pay raise would make them go broke... No surprise that the carrot approach works better than the stick. Here's another saying that applies--Safety in numbers. Options pilots have earned a contract that gives them professional wages and fair work rules. Frac customers are among the wealthiest in the nation. If the service provided is under priced then charge more, but don't ask the pilots and their families to subsidize a luxury while their own families do without the basics.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I've stated this before, but I'll say it again. My interest is actually for my friends at a different fractional where I was affiliated for a short time between layoffs. This board is read by all and is a great example of all the reasons not to bring a union on to the property.

So then why do you only post in the Options and Avantair threads? Why don't your "friends" post their own opinions?

 

[dime line]

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[B19 Flyer]

So then why do you only post in the Options and Avantair threads? Why don't your "friends" post their own opinions?

Thanks for reviewing my history and bringing me up-to-date!

 

[1po'dpilot]

while we are on the topic

Thanks for reviewing my history and bringing me up-to-date!

While we are talking about history BOB, is it just a coincedence that you began posting right before negotiations began?

05-15-2006, 00:10 Replies: 36

Attention FLOPs Pilots!!
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Posted By B19 Flyer


That is post number 1. Youre a scab and fraud. Get a life Bob and go find another company in aviation to ruin. While youre at it take MS and Sanjay with you!

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

The stench deepens. GM is out on strike nationwide, baseball can't get steroids out of the game because of the union and the Flight Options pilots are going to play games with the "rules" rather than negotiate in good faith. How many non-union careers and small business are going to take the hit cause of union work actions in the GM strike? How many dealership non-union workers will be affected? Will you support your local union brothers when YOU can't get your car fixed cause there aren't any parts available?

Can you smell it yet?

Hey Bob,

It only took 40 hours for GM's loyal employees to bring that company to its knees!! At $100,000,000.00 a day, thats $167 million lost by GM just because they didn't remember that "Human Resources" refers to "humans".

Too bad we're constrained by the RLA and cannot legally strike or else we could do the same and jam it right up Sh!tfinger's pompous a$$. I'm sure we would have a contract before he could say "OUCH!" (although he may be used to that sort of thing, so maybe "OOOHH", in his case).

That being said, our most effective legal option at FLOPS is the pen; which I will definitely wield often.

 

[FR8DOG777]

S.t.m.f.d.

 

[SilverSurfer]

To late

I've stated this before, but I'll say it again. My interest is actually for my friends at a different fractional where I was affiliated for a short time between layoffs. This board is read by all and is a great example of all the reasons not to bring a union on to the property.

Hey bro its to late. If you were out on the road and talking to some of these left behind friends, be they Flex or Shares, you would know that it way to late. I was talking to a Shares pilot yesterday and they are very close to having the cards they need and your management buddies at Shares keep giving them the motivations to sign them and send them in. Flex has been trying to organize for a while now but their management has been somewhat smarter about things and not exercised any attacks on the pilots. Sooner or later Flex pilots will see the light and will also get on board.

On another note, your constant negative comments about the union at option are also way to late. Management at FLOPS has perpetrated so many attacks on us that there is no way we would ever trust management again. They continue to attack us and our quality of life, lie to us about everything, steal from us and our families, and turn FLOPS into the most undesirable fractional operator to work for.

You and your "management is the answer to all that ails us, unions are evil and any union member is out to kill the company" crap is just that crap. The VP of Ops at FLOPS, the guy that everyone thinks you are, has said more then once that a company gets the union they deserve. Well guess what, he's right and thats exactly what FLOPS and the MOOrons that run it got.

 

[netjetwife]

Actually, this board is full of examples of exactly why underpaid/overworked pilots need a union on property to protect their interests when management seeks to balance the budget on their backs and unilaterally changes (for the worse) the pay and/or working conditions they were hired under. There are also lots of examples of the good that can be accomplished when pilots stand together and work for a contract that gives them fair compensation and work rules that a company is legally required to follow.

How many members of this board would have a house built without a contract to protect their investment? Common sense dictates that building a career is equally important and the investment is even greater. Fractional pilots deserve to have a voice in their career destiny. Best of luck to those at the bargaining table and those collecting cards. NJW

 

[FracMonkey]

b19, BOB, whoever the feck you are....

....is realy immaterial. The quest for a contract anywhere is a quest for a system of checks and balances. Nothing more. Management holds all the cards unless the affected groups have a way to balance their power. You have made your case abundantly clear. It's a case that I reject.

Management's reluctance to sign a contract equates to their reluctance to share power. Since the pilots in our operation are not only pilots, but baggage handlers, customer service representatives, TSA agents and the face of the company why shouldn't they rate industry standard pay?

Oh, and by the way with the looming pilot shortage that appears to be having an effect at FLOPS, why shouldn't we have a contract that attracts and retains the best pilots? Hmmmmmm.......?

 

[skanza]

First of all we all know he is not a pilot as defined from his post regarding one of our fellow pilots. Any pilot with an ounce of decency or civility would not have made a comment about doing someone elses girlfriend because of their schedule. Besides we all know he is anxious to end this union battle so he can go back to those long sunset strolls with his boyfriend down there in Miami on South Beach. Secondly, the only airline I can think of that is non-union is skywest and just ask them how much they love their non-union airline. Good ole' Jerry Atkins giving them a 1 and 1/2 percent pay increase in seven years, dumping that pbs bidding system in their lap, oh yeah, and flying seventy and ninety seat aircraft for fifty seat pay. Unions exist because of the criminal actions of greeedy airline executives. The union is here to stay at flight options. I suggest we ignore this idiot. Do not engage in any of his disruptive conjecture. We need to get rid of the ot thread and approach our bretheren in a more respectful manner. They are trying to divide us and that is exactly what b19 is trying to do here. As much as I am against doing ot, in time the offenders will realize their selfish interests are affecting their well being as well. Now if you will forgive me I have to get some rest. I only had thirty minutes to postflight and do a minimal aircraft postflight inspection. I am sure after ten hours of rest here at the super 8 I will have the keen sense for discovering any discrepancies I might have overlooked last night. Adios

I know you. This won't work. Don't expect a reply, fool.

 

[FR8DOG777]

welcome back

I know you. This won't work. Don't expect a reply, fool.

Crawl back in your hole troll!!!

 

[GerryG]

The stench deepens. GM is out on strike nationwide, baseball can't get steroids out of the game because of the union and the Flight Options pilots are going to play games with the "rules" rather than negotiate in good faith. How many non-union careers and small business are going to take the hit cause of union work actions in the GM strike? How many dealership non-union workers will be affected? Will you support your local union brothers when YOU can't get your car fixed cause there aren't any parts available?

Can you smell it yet?

SMELL THIS BOB!!

Looks like a 6th year Capt. at FLOPS could not go over to NJ and break even with 1st year FO pay. I wonder how many pilots you will have left to abuse come spring?

18 Day Fixed Base Wage Tables: PIC F/O& F/O Greater Than 40K lbs

1 $106,444 .......1 $69,188 $79,073
2 $110,169 .......2 $71,610 $81,840
3 $114,025 .......3 $77,537 $84,704
4 $118,016 .......4 $80,251 $87,669
5 $122,147 .......5 $83,060 $90,738
6 $126,422 .......6 $88,495 $93,913
7 $130,847 .......7 $91,593 $97,200
8 $135,426 .......8 $93,882 $100,602
9 $140,166 .......9 $96,229 $104,123
10 $145,072 ......10 $98,635 $107,768
11 $150,149
12 $155,405
13 $160,844
14 $166,473​

Base pay only.​

 

[fischman]

If that person you call "nobody" doesn't care, that's OK. However, I consider the rest of the readership "somebody" and a very intellegent group of pilots. I'm certain they would prefer not to be insulted by you calling them "nobody".

Sir, nobody cares what your opinion is.

 

[dime line]

Sir, nobody cares what your opinion is.

don't get mad at Bob, he just saw the new payscale and is currently getting his resume ready to send to NJ's, the man needs to pay his bill also.....

 

[FracMonkey]

Since I know you read this website

Mr. Tyler,

Here is the deal. The new NJ Tentative Agreement sounds the death nell for FLOPS in its current form.

I have spoken to many of my friends at FLOPS today and they are all applying to NetJets. A pretty agressive and smart business tactic, if you ask me. Now there is no question that each and every fractional in the industry is now a training ground for NetJets.

It appears that your handlers (MS and SA) are faced with a tough decision. Do you up with the money, settle the contract, watch FLOPS die a slow painful death, or quit your job?

The ball is now firmly in management's court at FLOPS. The survival of the company could depend entirely on you, sir.

Best of luck.

The Monkey

 

[netjetwife]

Monkey, that sums it up. My husband said the same thing to me about the FLOPS situation. I certainly hope that management will wise up. It doesn't have to be this way and NJA is living proof that there is a better way. Motivated workers make great employees. When there is little/no labor strife everyone is able to concentrate on service and profits rise. Burned out, resentful ones are less productive and more prone to illness. It amazes me that such basic concepts are ignored by penny-wise, pound-foolish managers over and over... It also angers me because the pilots and their families usually end up losing income and/or QOL. Hopefully, the NJA TA will bring the fence sitters in your group around and be the wake up call your management needs. Best Wishes to Options pilots and their families! NJW