ASA MEC Bonus Disbursement

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There is no legal or industry precedent for the "dead" to receive retro pay.

Actually - yes dead people have recieved retro pay under collective bargaining agreements - just google the topic. The dead person earned it and now their spouse, or estate under law has the rights to that property.

The whole idea of retroactive pay is based on the idea of reimbursing pay for work already completed after the amenable date of a collective bargaining agreement under the terms & date of the new contract's implementation.

You know more about ALPA's past practice than I do, and as I understand it, this is not "retro pay," but rather a "signing bonus." As such it would seem you would have to be a signatory to recieve the bonus.

But, aren't all signatures equal?

It would appear you could have it one of two ways:

1. If this is a signing bonus, everyone who signs should recieve the bonus (equally).
2. If this is a form of retro pay, those who earned it should get paid.

Which is it? You can't legitimately argue for retro pay saying it is owed to those who worked for substandard wages, then ignore those who served while awarding payments to new hire signatories.

Love the joke about the $20. I'm just playing anyway and am dammed pleased that the ASA pilots have something to consider and either vote for, or reject.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually - yes dead people have recieved retro pay under collective bargaining agreements - just google the topic. The dead person earned it and now their spouse, or estate under law has the rights to that property.

The whole idea of retroactive pay is based on the idea of reimbursing pay for work already completed after the amenable date of a collective bargaining agreement under the terms of the new contract's implementation.

You know more about ALPA's past practice than I do, and as I understand it, this is not "retro pay," but rather a "signing bonus." As such it would seem you would have to be a signatory to recieve the bonus.

But, aren't all signatures equal?

It would appear you could have it one of two ways:

1. If this is a signing bonus, everyone who signs should recieve the bonus (equally).
2. If this is a form of retro pay, those who earned it should get paid.

Which is it?

Love the joke about the $20.

You may be right, but I didn't literally mean dead people, I was using that term to refer to those who have left. Kind of like referring to those yet to be hired as the "unborn".

 

[www.]

My crystal balls say...

The "signing bonus" will be calculated by
1. To pilots on the list as of 09/28/2007 , if it passes on the first try.
2. Based on your " longevity" from 09/15/2002 to 09/28/2007, if it passes on the first try.

Read up on LOAs and longevity.

Ta Ta

 

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Might I humbly submit the truth? How about a little retro pay Haiku?


money is retro
but some pilots don't vote now
unlucky bastards

call it a signing bonus
and we keep it for ourselves

 

[ASADFW7]

To the guy who said receiving retro pay if you are no longer working at ASA but did during contract negotiations is stealing. I have no vote, I doubt I would receive retro pay, but do not call me a thief. I have not stole a thing, nor do I intend to. Enjoy the TA but keep your name calling to yourself.

 

[Long Time Gone]

I guess the joke about how to make copper wire in a room full of pilots is true.

 

[CJA]

I consider not getting any "retro" pay or signing bonus as just another part of the screwing I took during my years at ASA. I would have received bonus money if the contract had been settled in 4 years and not 5, so I should get at least 80%, but I know I can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up the fastest! Thanks ALPA. To those of you who have "stuck it out", enjoy your bonus but it will not do as much to soothe the pain as leaving that dump would do. Life can be so much better somewhere else. My suggestion is take your signing bonus and use it to offset the pay cut you might take to go somewhere better.

 

[COOPERVANE]

How do you occupy a pilot?




Throw a quarter under the couch, but tell him there are two!!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Give retro pay to people who made the choice to move on, are you serious? Granted, the people who have been here the entire span of contract negotiations should get more then someone who hasn't been here the entire time. If I was at ASA, I would be pissed if a 8 month f/o got as much as a 3 year f/o or captain. However, those who have moved on to other opportunities knowingly gave up the opportunity to get retro pay. I don't care if you stick to your guns or are just along for the ride. If ASA starts to dispurse retro pay to people who have left the company, that's a lot less money to give to the ASA pilots who are currently working there.

 

[Sinca3]

I think the ASA MEC should divvy up the signing bonus to include pilots that recently quit ASA. I put up with 4.5 years of crap, so why should a new hire get $$$ when they didn't suffer through what I went through? I'm not talking about an equal share because I don't work there anymore, but a signing bonus is the legal equivalent of punitive damages for pain and suffering. There should be some amount allocated for those that couldn't take it anymore. I hope they do the right thing.

They could at least send me some herbal remedy that can shrink my arsehole after all those years, I haven't had a normal bowel movement since September 15, 2002!

ARE YOU F´ING HIGH????
I was at ASA until 9/2/07 so was there for ALL of it and I expect nothing!!! I also was the first and loudest about 100% retro since day one when John Rice told me we weren´t going to get it!
The people on the senority list at DOS are the only ones that should and will get anything in the form of retro.

 

[49W]

One of the union guys said people on property from the date of the TA would be eligible for the bonus. Isn't it usually done from the actual date of signing?

 

[buscap]

I think we would look better if we all put on cheekless leather chaps and ran around the GO, yelling nyyyaaa nyyyaaa nyyaaa nyyyaaa nyyyaa...

We would look better doing that than we do right now, having this money grubbing pissing contest.

COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE THE HIGH RODE???!!!

 

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One of the union guys said people on property from the date of the TA would be eligible for the bonus. Isn't it usually done from the actual date of signing?

You are right and you could probably knock another couple of pilots off of eligibility. Anyone retiring?

After all, who deserves it more, a new hire or a guy who has served 25 years?

 

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COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE THE HIGH RODE???!!!

You mean the high road?

or, is the "rode" a freudian slip that goes with the cheekless leather chaps?

 

[jenks]

It is sad to see how greedy we all are! The MEC has a responsability to distribute this fairly and they will do just that. If you left for something better your out of luck. I sure wish I had a senority # somewhere else. That is your bonus.