ASA MEC Bonus Disbursement

[buscap]

You mean the high road?

or, is the "rode" a freudian slip that goes with the cheekless leather chaps?

we have a winner

 

[GeekMaster]

To those recent departees:

What would you think the chance of getting this TA voted IN would be if every pilot here had to vote on it based on receiving hundreds if not thousands less in signing bonus so that those who quit could be compensated?

If it was decided to compensate you, where's the cutoff? 09/2002? Last year? Or anytime prior to when YOU left?

Recent retirees due to age 60 may have a little better argument. Not expressing an opinion on that, just an understanding of where they're coming from.

 

[av8er2]

What about all the money paid to ALPA by pilots that have left? You think this is not part of sticking to your guns and help out. That is why the people who left deserve something if you were here to do battle during some part of this contract.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Wow. Greed really does make otherwise smart people do and say stupid things.

 

[av8er2]

The pilots who made a difference by leaving helped the whole pilot group at ASA. The mass exit by pilots this year I think put a lot of pressure on mgt. If these pilots did not leave this contract would not be TA'd.

 

[John Pennekamp]

The pilots who made a difference by leaving helped the whole pilot group at ASA. The mass exit by pilots this year I think put a lot of pressure on mgt. If these pilots did not leave this contract would not be TA'd.

Yeah you're right. Why don't you pm me your address so that I can send you my check. Thanks for your "help" in the contract by bailing. [insert sarcasm here]

 

[Richard Gozinya]

.........Kind of like Clinton's crack about dragging a $20 bill through a trailer park, but I digress................Now go away, enjoy your new gig, and stop trying to steal from those of us who are still stuck here ,or chose to stay.

Thats right. Like sleeping with Rosanne before she got fat AND rich. If you couldn't stand the Cellulite and left, all you have is a great memory of a mercy mission, but no compensation..........

It was the CoonAss Carvil that made the remark about the $20 thru the trailer park.....about Paula Jones.......but I digress.

Leaving is the bonus check they deserve.

Dick Gozinya

 

[goahead]

Agreed, leaving is your bonus.
I can't believe the hatred and greed of some of these guys.

 

[~~~^~~~]

OK - enough!

Pay is earned when the work is performed. Retro is short for retroactive.

If someone worked at ASA and earned pay, then retro pay is theirs. How is this "greedy, stupid, hatred," or "stealing?" Somebody explain the ethics of this name calling.

In law there is another concept called "standing." It is my guess that prior employees lack the standing to enforce a claim to a "signing bonus." So this is more mental masturbation than anything else. But, being a guy who likes mental masturbation (as evidenced by my near Generalissimo status) I'm very curious the basis for your ideas of "fair."

Google "retro pay" and you will find that former employees, retirees, and dead folks all get "retro pay." This is probably the exact reason for calling this a "signing bonus" as those who are not on the list will not be around for ratification.

I think everyone who has moved on is pleased that ASA got an offer they can consider. However, look at new hire pay at the legacies. You think your pay stinks? Dare I admit - adjusted for inflation, my checks are less than my ASA EMB120 FO pay back in 1999. Throw us a Biscoff.

Wow. Greed really does make otherwise smart people do and say stupid things.

That's what I'm thinking - anyone care to explain the allegation of stealing when there is nothing taken and no intent?

 

[Flyin2low]

Maybe you could beg for your job back and get the bonus then quit.

 

[JoeMerchant]

The problem stems from the fact that people thought they were going to get "retro pay"..... that is seldom the case and it usually ends up being a "signing bonus".... they are two very different animals.

We got a signing bonus.... not retro pay.....

There is one problem with using the date of the TA as the cutoff however. There is no agreement until the agreement is signed. IF you use the date of the TA as the cutoff, then you will be paying some former employees and not others.... that will open ALPA up to a legal challenge....

IMO, you either have to use the DOS as the cutoff, or you can include everyone who was here during negotiations.... Including some former employees, but not others is a slippery slope...

 

[av8er2]

OK - enough!

Pay is earned when the work is performed. Retro is short for retroactive.

If someone worked at ASA and earned pay, then retro pay is theirs. How is this "greedy, stupid, hatred," or "stealing?" Somebody explain the ethics of this name calling.

In law there is another concept called "standing." It is my guess that prior employees lack the standing to enforce a claim to a "signing bonus." So this is more mental masturbation than anything else. But, being a guy who likes mental masturbation (as evidenced by my near Generalissimo status) I'm very curious the basis for your ideas of "fair."

Google "retro pay" and you will find that former employees, retirees, and dead folks all get "retro pay." This is probably the exact reason for calling this a "signing bonus" as those who are not on the list will not be around for ratification.

I think everyone who has moved on is pleased that ASA got an offer they can consider. However, look at new hire pay at the legacies. You think your pay stinks? Dare I admit - adjusted for inflation, my checks are less than my ASA EMB120 FO pay back in 1999. Throw us a Biscoff.
That's what I'm thinking - anyone care to explain the allegation of stealing when there is nothing taken and no intent?

Good point.

If ASA is calling it a signing bonus, yes that may be different. I think what bothers a lot of pilots that have left is the fact that it was lost income. They actually earned it. But due to bad mgt, poor law, and a weak union the money is gone.

 

[goahead]

Good point.

If ASA is calling it a signing bonus, yes that may be different. I think what bothers a lot of pilots that have left is the fact that it was lost income. They actually earned it. But due to bad mgt, poor law, and a weak union the money is gone.

It's a signing bonus (per ALPA).

Are you at a better place than ASA???? Then shut your mouth and get on with your life, your the one that chose to leave and now you have no ties AT ALL to this company.

I'd leave tomorrow even if it meant me losing 10 grand after taxes who cares, BIG PICTURE.

By the way this had been discussed over the past three years or so, you knew when you left.

 

[scarlet]

How do you please the majority?

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

I don't see why people have to bitch about who gets what so much. I think the better question to ask is $13.5 million enough of a shot to the company to keep them from dragging negotiations out another 5 yrs next time around?