ASA MEC Bonus Disbursement

[Splinter]

I think the ASA MEC should divvy up the signing bonus to include pilots that recently quit ASA. I put up with 4.5 years of crap, so why should a new hire get $$$ when they didn't suffer through what I went through? I'm not talking about an equal share because I don't work there anymore, but a signing bonus is the legal equivalent of punitive damages for pain and suffering. There should be some amount allocated for those that couldn't take it anymore. I hope they do the right thing.

They could at least send me some herbal remedy that can shrink my arsehole after all those years, I haven't had a normal bowel movement since September 15, 2002!

 

[BIGGOAT]

Not going to happen!

Besides, new hires will not get that much anyhow. The bonus will probably be divided up according to time on property during negotiations, which seat you were in and the time you were in it, etc...

Goat

 

[Stifler's Mom]

It's already been decided on the ALPA boards. Warmie is getting $13M, the rest of us get to split the remaining $500K, and RB gets all 4-day trips with triple JAN overnights for the rest of his career.

I also suggest that we set aside $60 to purchase WD a new hat for his new airline.

That sound about right?

 

[CFI2766]

Nah, I don't think so.

It sounds like you are looking for something for nothing. This signing bonus should only be given to people who currently fly for ASA.

I do wonder, however, if this bonus will affect attrition. I could see 100 pilots leaving the day after the bonus is awarded.

 

[Rusty Nail]

Not going to happen!

Besides, new hires will not get that much anyhow. The bonus will probably be divided up according to time on property during negotiations, which seat you were in and the time you were in it, etc...

Goat

Thats how they did it at Fedex. I was there for two months before the contract and got around $300. The pilots that were actually there fighting for the contract the whole time got tons more rightfully so. I expected nothing as a new guy. I'm sure those that have been there longer will be awarded more. I was at ASA from 99'-06' and don't feel as if I should get a dime....but if they send me a check I'm taking it! I marched at all but two pickets. Congrats on the TA!

 

[shamrock]

It's already been decided on the ALPA boards. Warmie is getting $13M, the rest of us get to split the remaining $500K, and RB gets all 4-day trips with triple JAN overnights for the rest of his career.

I also suggest that we set aside $60 to purchase WD a new hat for his new airline.

That sound about right?

Warmie getting 13 mil? OK. Someone to hoover up the JAN overnights? Have at it! It's all fine with me except for WD's hat. If he wasn't quitting I'd gladly chip in but since he made the choice to leave, well no hat for him now. Besides, Big City BW already offered to give him the "misplaced" hat back anyway.

 

[av8er2]

I think that if a pilot was at ASA when the contract expired to the new one deserves something, no matter where they are.

What is the difference between a pilot that was at ASA during the last 5 years and has left and the pilot still at ASA. Nothing, they both did their job professionally for ASA.

Of course the pilots that are still at ASA will not see it this way, they want all the money they can get.

The right thing to do would be to include any pilot that was affected by ASA mgt. actions of delaying this contract.

 

[ohplease!]

I think that if a pilot was at ASA when the contract expired to the new one deserves something, no matter where they are.

What is the difference between a pilot that was at ASA during the last 5 years and has left and the pilot still at ASA. Nothing, they both did their job professionally for ASA.

Of course the pilots that are still at ASA will not see it this way, they want all the money they can get.

The right thing to do would be to include any pilot that was affected by ASA mgt. actions of delaying this contract.

don't forget alpa delayed things the first 2 years or so....the difference is they made the decision to leave and if they left in the last few weeks, they have pretty $hitty timing. Tuff titty.

 

[Redan]

I suppose this conversation was inevitible, but still, you guys are kidding, right? Maybe we should send John and George a portion as well. Obviously the SIGNING BONUS is for those in the pilot group who have stuck it out and are present to ratify or "sign" the new agreement. I do sincerely hope that those who have departed enjoy their new positions.

 

[DX Rick]

You already got your bonus, you left the airline.
You think if you were still with the airline and got your bonus, you would be all happy and chipper? No, you would still find something to complain about.
Some form of TA will be signed, people will be happy for a week, and then the bitching will continue.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

That moneys for people who stuck to their guns.I don't have a dog in thisa fight but congrats ASA guys.

 

[PCL_128]

I think the ASA MEC should divvy up the signing bonus to include pilots that recently quit ASA. I put up with 4.5 years of crap, so why should a new hire get $$$ when they didn't suffer through what I went through? I'm not talking about an equal share because I don't work there anymore, but a signing bonus is the legal equivalent of punitive damages for pain and suffering. There should be some amount allocated for those that couldn't take it anymore. I hope they do the right thing.

They could at least send me some herbal remedy that can shrink my arsehole after all those years, I haven't had a normal bowel movement since September 15, 2002!

You made your choice to leave, just as I made my choice to leave Pinnacle. If PCL were to miraculously get a TA tomorrow, I would expect nothing from it. We all have choices to make. We decided to gamble by going to the bottom of another seniority list and leave everything from the respective regionals behind. You shouldn't expect your former brothers from ASA to give up a portion of their signing bonus check to give to someone that decided to leave.

 

[av8tor4239]

Splinter Put your hockey helmet back on and stay away from the microwave...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Consider statements from the ASA MEC / CNC that attrition at ASA was critical and the fact ALPA played the "job fair" card knowing that in the absence of a strike, attrition could force action.

Including those who have sweat equity in the deal is the right thing to do. However, I have no expectations.

I'm very impressed with the Rep's, MEC's and volunteers' leadership during these difficult times.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think the ASA MEC should divvy up the signing bonus to include pilots that recently quit ASA. I put up with 4.5 years of crap, so why should a new hire get $$$ when they didn't suffer through what I went through? I'm not talking about an equal share because I don't work there anymore, but a signing bonus is the legal equivalent of punitive damages for pain and suffering. There should be some amount allocated for those that couldn't take it anymore. I hope they do the right thing.

They could at least send me some herbal remedy that can shrink my arsehole after all those years, I haven't had a normal bowel movement since September 15, 2002!

Wow. It's amazing what a little bit of money can do to otherwise rational pilots. Kind of like Clinton's crack about dragging a $20 bill through a trailer park, but I digress.

There is no legal or industry precedent for the "dead" to receive retro pay.

When you quit, you knew you you weren't going to get any. Nothing has changed.

Now go away, enjoy your new gig, and stop trying to steal from those of us who are still stuck here ,or chose to stay.

 

[~~~^~~~]

There is no legal or industry precedent for the "dead" to receive retro pay.

Actually - yes dead people have recieved retro pay under collective bargaining agreements - just google the topic. The dead person earned it and now their spouse, or estate under law has the rights to that property.

The whole idea of retroactive pay is based on the idea of reimbursing pay for work already completed after the amenable date of a collective bargaining agreement under the terms & date of the new contract's implementation.

You know more about ALPA's past practice than I do, and as I understand it, this is not "retro pay," but rather a "signing bonus." As such it would seem you would have to be a signatory to recieve the bonus.

But, aren't all signatures equal?

It would appear you could have it one of two ways:

1. If this is a signing bonus, everyone who signs should recieve the bonus (equally).
2. If this is a form of retro pay, those who earned it should get paid.

Which is it? You can't legitimately argue for retro pay saying it is owed to those who worked for substandard wages, then ignore those who served while awarding payments to new hire signatories.

Love the joke about the $20. I'm just playing anyway and am dammed pleased that the ASA pilots have something to consider and either vote for, or reject.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Actually - yes dead people have recieved retro pay under collective bargaining agreements - just google the topic. The dead person earned it and now their spouse, or estate under law has the rights to that property.

The whole idea of retroactive pay is based on the idea of reimbursing pay for work already completed after the amenable date of a collective bargaining agreement under the terms of the new contract's implementation.

You know more about ALPA's past practice than I do, and as I understand it, this is not "retro pay," but rather a "signing bonus." As such it would seem you would have to be a signatory to recieve the bonus.

But, aren't all signatures equal?

It would appear you could have it one of two ways:

1. If this is a signing bonus, everyone who signs should recieve the bonus (equally).
2. If this is a form of retro pay, those who earned it should get paid.

Which is it?

Love the joke about the $20.

You may be right, but I didn't literally mean dead people, I was using that term to refer to those who have left. Kind of like referring to those yet to be hired as the "unborn".

 

[www.]

My crystal balls say...

The "signing bonus" will be calculated by
1. To pilots on the list as of 09/28/2007 , if it passes on the first try.
2. Based on your " longevity" from 09/15/2002 to 09/28/2007, if it passes on the first try.

Read up on LOAs and longevity.

Ta Ta

 

[~~~^~~~]

Might I humbly submit the truth? How about a little retro pay Haiku?


money is retro
but some pilots don't vote now
unlucky bastards

call it a signing bonus
and we keep it for ourselves

 

[ASADFW7]

To the guy who said receiving retro pay if you are no longer working at ASA but did during contract negotiations is stealing. I have no vote, I doubt I would receive retro pay, but do not call me a thief. I have not stole a thing, nor do I intend to. Enjoy the TA but keep your name calling to yourself.

 

[Long Time Gone]

I guess the joke about how to make copper wire in a room full of pilots is true.

 

[CJA]

I consider not getting any "retro" pay or signing bonus as just another part of the screwing I took during my years at ASA. I would have received bonus money if the contract had been settled in 4 years and not 5, so I should get at least 80%, but I know I can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up the fastest! Thanks ALPA. To those of you who have "stuck it out", enjoy your bonus but it will not do as much to soothe the pain as leaving that dump would do. Life can be so much better somewhere else. My suggestion is take your signing bonus and use it to offset the pay cut you might take to go somewhere better.

 

[COOPERVANE]

How do you occupy a pilot?




Throw a quarter under the couch, but tell him there are two!!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Give retro pay to people who made the choice to move on, are you serious? Granted, the people who have been here the entire span of contract negotiations should get more then someone who hasn't been here the entire time. If I was at ASA, I would be pissed if a 8 month f/o got as much as a 3 year f/o or captain. However, those who have moved on to other opportunities knowingly gave up the opportunity to get retro pay. I don't care if you stick to your guns or are just along for the ride. If ASA starts to dispurse retro pay to people who have left the company, that's a lot less money to give to the ASA pilots who are currently working there.

 

[Sinca3]

I think the ASA MEC should divvy up the signing bonus to include pilots that recently quit ASA. I put up with 4.5 years of crap, so why should a new hire get $$$ when they didn't suffer through what I went through? I'm not talking about an equal share because I don't work there anymore, but a signing bonus is the legal equivalent of punitive damages for pain and suffering. There should be some amount allocated for those that couldn't take it anymore. I hope they do the right thing.

They could at least send me some herbal remedy that can shrink my arsehole after all those years, I haven't had a normal bowel movement since September 15, 2002!

ARE YOU F´ING HIGH????
I was at ASA until 9/2/07 so was there for ALL of it and I expect nothing!!! I also was the first and loudest about 100% retro since day one when John Rice told me we weren´t going to get it!
The people on the senority list at DOS are the only ones that should and will get anything in the form of retro.

 

[49W]

One of the union guys said people on property from the date of the TA would be eligible for the bonus. Isn't it usually done from the actual date of signing?

 

[buscap]

I think we would look better if we all put on cheekless leather chaps and ran around the GO, yelling nyyyaaa nyyyaaa nyyaaa nyyyaaa nyyyaa...

We would look better doing that than we do right now, having this money grubbing pissing contest.

COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE THE HIGH RODE???!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

One of the union guys said people on property from the date of the TA would be eligible for the bonus. Isn't it usually done from the actual date of signing?

You are right and you could probably knock another couple of pilots off of eligibility. Anyone retiring?

After all, who deserves it more, a new hire or a guy who has served 25 years?

 

[~~~^~~~]

COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE THE HIGH RODE???!!!

You mean the high road?

or, is the "rode" a freudian slip that goes with the cheekless leather chaps?

 

[jenks]

It is sad to see how greedy we all are! The MEC has a responsability to distribute this fairly and they will do just that. If you left for something better your out of luck. I sure wish I had a senority # somewhere else. That is your bonus.