ASA TA vote NO?

[PCL_128]

DEMAND MORE MONEY!!!
$.90 IS A JOKE!
No wonder management loves it.

Make a clause that is management gets a bonus or raise, so do all pilots!

Pay rates seem pretty good to me. Only Horizon makes more, and you'll never get anywhere with the Bush NMB if you hold out for a few more dollars. With legitimate complaints about job security or retirement, then you'd probably get a release eventually, but I don't see the Bush NMB releasing anyone over a few dollars of hourly pay.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

FO's are nice, but not entirely necessary. They could be replaced by a magazine rack.

 

[jetracer5]

First year FO went up $4 from $19 to $23. The rest of the FO scale didnt go up much more than a buck or 2 but were still the highest paid FO's. Just not by much.

 

[DX Rick]

Pay rates seem pretty good to me..

Of course they do. You're a scum bag who paid (paid an EAL SCAB) for all his time and his first job.

 

[DX Rick]

First year FO went up $4 from $19 to $23. The rest of the FO scale didnt go up much more than a buck or 2 but were still the highest paid FO's. Just not by much.

And still on food stamps. But hey, atleast you can say you're the "highest paid FO's"......hope that pays the bills for you.

 

[socrates1]

Mr. Rick

$84.00/Hr for a 50 seat aircraft is $1.68 per seat per hour. Lets assume a 777 CA makes $170.00 per hour. They sure aren't making the $290.00 per hour they were before 9/11. I think $170.00 per hour is an accurate amount. If not, please tell me what they make. At $170.00 per hour, that CA is making $0.56 per hour per seat.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

And still on food stamps. But hey, atleast you can say you're the "highest paid FO's"......hope that pays the bills for you.

You're right. We should absolutely hold out for $50 an hour for newhires and $200 an hour for 10 year Captains. Absolutely. You know, some dose of reality needs to come into play here at some point. This TA appears at first glance to be near or at the top of the regional industry in every category, and it may really be a big step up for us. The next company to reach a TA can build on it and so forth. You can't change the economic realities of the industry with one TA. Do you really think that after we refused to give in for 5 years that we're going to sign off on something we feel is unacceptable? We're not undercutting anyone here. Plenty of other people have already done that. On the surface, the TA appears to be a step in the right direction for the industry. Don't like it? Tough. Feel free to vote no on as many TAs as you like when your company gets into Section 6. Your rants make it clear that you really don't have enough experience in this industry to understand how this whole process works.

 

[DX Rick]

Mr. Rick

$84.00/Hr for a 50 seat aircraft is $1.68 per seat per hour. Lets assume a 777 CA makes $170.00 per hour. They sure aren't making the $290.00 per hour they were before 9/11. I think $170.00 per hour is an accurate amount. If not, please tell me what they make. At $170.00 per hour, that CA is making $0.56 per hour per seat.

You guys have the leverage in the world right now to get what you deserve. Yes, YOUR pay raise is a nice/decent one. Hell, ALPA needs to step up to the plate and do something, because over all moral of the Union has gone down hill, except in the dreams of PCL-128.
UAL and USAir are looking to vote them out, Colgan voted them down and several friends at SkyWest say it doesn't look to good of the Union getting voted in.
I have flown with several captain who want to vote them off the property.
All of mainline flights, ASA and Comair flights are leaving the gates full. It's pretty damned hard for management to say they're not making money, therefore we can't have the nice pay raise.
I garuntee you, management will take some form of a multi million dollar bonus of some sort within 2 year of signing the new contract. Always happens.
Hell, after they took their $18mil in concessions from us, management took a $18mil bonus for "bringing the airline out of bankruptcy"
We're doing all the work. Why not get paid for it? They're getting million salaries for working 6 hour days, weekends off, home everynight and a day off here and there.
Get with it.

 

[PCL_128]

Your rants make it clear that you really don't have enough experience in this industry to understand how this whole process works.

Exactly.

 

[socrates1]

Hey guys

We are "commuter commanders". I am happy with the current pay scales on the TA. My kids eat three squares a day, and have shoes on their feet in February. If you want more, than try to move on.
However, please don't think the TA is "the cats meow." Let's see the final version, and than vote you mind.