ASA TA vote NO?

[ASACAPT]

Since some of you do not know how to do the math, I will. In the new TA the FO's pay is 60% of Captains pay. Find ANY other regional that has that. The ASA FO's are still the Best paid in the industry.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Yep, SkyWest is making money alright. But try to see that as a positive. It means more capital for buying aircraft, which means growth and upgrades; and more cushion should we enter a downturn.

Have a look at the TA, and vote what you want- not what people tell you to on FI.

 

[DX Rick]

You're right. We should absolutely hold out for $50 an hour for newhires and $200 an hour for 10 year Captains. Absolutely. You know, some dose of reality needs to come into play here at some point. This TA appears at first glance to be near or at the top of the regional industry in every category, and it may really be a big step up for us. The next company to reach a TA can build on it and so forth. You can't change the economic realities of the industry with one TA. Do you really think that after we refused to give in for 5 years that we're going to sign off on something we feel is unacceptable? We're not undercutting anyone here. Plenty of other people have already done that. On the surface, the TA appears to be a step in the right direction for the industry. Don't like it? Tough. Feel free to vote no on as many TAs as you like when your company gets into Section 6. Your rants make it clear that you really don't have enough experience in this industry to understand how this whole process works.

A lot of people didn't think Comairs would pass during the strike. That one blew others out of the water. Why not do the same?
Never said you were undercutting anyone. Just don't like to see people settle for "just at the top".

And PCL_128. I might have less time flying for the airlines than you do, but I knew better not to pay a EAL Scab for flight time and a job.

 

[socrates1]

Alright kids, I'm to old for this. I have an early morning sign in. Have fun debating this. I'm done.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Yeah, lets blow 'em out of the water. Things have changed since 2001. They're not going back for a long time. You see what Comair looks like now?

 

[PCL_128]

A lot of people didn't think Comairs would pass during the strike. That one blew others out of the water. Why not do the same?

Because the leverage doesn't exist to achieve a CMR contract in today's environment.

 

[Tomct]

I'm not too happy with the 13.5 mill. What did Comair get....40 mill for 3 years of negotiating? NOT ENOUGH! We have been doing this for 5 years. WE MUST MAKE THEM PAY!!!:angryfire

 

[BoilerUP]

Since some of you do not know how to do the math, I will. In the new TA the FO's pay is 60% of Captains pay. Find ANY other regional that has that. The ASA FO's are still the Best paid in the industry.

Air Wisconsin is 60% CA rates as well.

Based on the TA'd 50 seat rates, AWAC's FO pay effective 10/07 (under the 2003 concessionary agreement) is higher through the 3rd year.

 

[79%N1]

DEMAND MORE MONEY!!!
$.90 IS A JOKE!
No wonder management loves it.

Make a clause that is management gets a bonus or raise, so do all pilots!

Man, You guys just don't get it! ASA FO's were already at or near the highest paid in the industry year by year. Do some dang research, please. How can you seriously look a CNC member in the eye and tell them to get you more when they have made you the highest paid FO's in the whole Regional industry??? This does not even include the rigs/bonus plan! So vote it out, and forget that, as well as the scheduling, reserve improvements, the commuter policy, swapping/dropping improvements, etc.

 

[Palerider957]

FO's are nice, but not entirely necessary. They could be replaced by a magazine rack.

Or 200 lbs. of fuel.

 

[Tarzan]

DEMAND MORE MONEY!!!
$.90 IS A JOKE!
No wonder management loves it.

Make a clause that is management gets a bonus or raise, so do all pilots!

The real raise is in the duty and trip rigs. That in itself is a huge bump. I'll take it just to get at the overall raise and QOL stuff provided these are no big "gotcha's" in it.

 

[PositionandHold]

What trip rigs

 

[Tarzan]

3.75 min pay for a day.

 

[172driver]

The duty and trip rigs are worth something only if they are calculated daily. Otherwise, the trip rig will almost never pay, and the duty rig will only pay on full nap lines. Same thing Comair has.

 

[IFLYASA]

I wonder if that's how they will decide on the signing bonus. Captains take 60%, and F/O's take 40%..Obviously it wouldn't be that simple, but it seems like a start. Based on how many years you were a Captain or F/O, etc....

 

[jeroom]

Or 200 lbs. of fuel.

Or by another stupid Captain....

 

[Tim47SIP]

79% is correct!

Man, You guys just don't get it! ASA FO's were already at or near the highest paid in the industry year by year. Do some dang research, please. How can you seriously look a CNC member in the eye and tell them to get you more when they have made you the highest paid FO's in the whole Regional industry??? This does not even include the rigs/bonus plan! So vote it out, and forget that, as well as the scheduling, reserve improvements, the commuter policy, swapping/dropping improvements, etc.

It is called "Blinders" They cant see the forest past the tree nor do they want to get the info before they open their mouth and insert their proverbial foot.

 

[John Pennekamp]

DEMAND MORE MONEY!!!
$.90 IS A JOKE!
No wonder management loves it.

Make a clause that is management gets a bonus or raise, so do all pilots!

If you don't work for ASA, then MYOB. This isn't your affair.

And to piss in your Wheaties, DX Rick, don't you work for Comair? I know that you weren't there for the strike, but y'all gave back every penny you got from striking and then some. Y'all also sold us out TWICE by taking pay cute during our negotiations. One of them was outside bankruptcy.

I don't think a Comair pilot has any right to offer us council.

 

[79%N1]

Here Here! and an Amen!