Q for ASA guys

[IflyAviator]

I have a class date with ASA soon. I understand that type of equipment is assigned by senority in the first week of indoc. My question is, if I was assigned the ATR and I wanted to be placed on the CRJ is it possible to decline or bid out of the ATR right away or do you have to go through training still and wait for a later date to switch? I am 23 so I will probably be one of the younger in the class.

 

[PositionandHold]

If you're on the ATR, you will stay on the ATR for a while. The seat lock is something like a year, but they will bypass the ATR F/O CR7 transitions and give them to 200 guys instead. So, you cannot bid the CRJ200 or 700 in class and expect to get it anytime soon. They don't like to waste money retraining people without a necessity for it.

Now. That said. The plane is supposed to be gone in less than a year anyways. They seem to be pretty serious about it this time, not like the last 3 or 4 times they've said they'll get rid of it. If this happens, you can bid and probably get whatever you want.

The ATR is a cool plane, I don't know why there is a stigma against it. Actually I do understand why. It's a "loud prop," (actually it's a lot quieter than the Saab or EMB) but keep in mind that the plane is about as high tech as it can get without an FMS, will make you a better pilot than those flying the barbie jet, and you'll get real good at flying NDB holds.

Also, reserve time is set to drop dramatically here soon on the plane.

At 23, you have a decent shot of NOT getting the ATR. There are many 20-21-22 year olds in the classes. You will probably not get the CRJ anyways. But if you do get the ATR, the training dept. is high quality and is a lot of fun and the instructors are a great group of guys. ATR guys have all the fun. And 2 F/As, that means you and the captain don't have to share.

If you're under 2500TT, just remember that a couple of years ago, you'd be lucky to get an interview with Great Lakes on a 1900. BTW, you can make more money on the ATR than your CRJ200 counterparts can.

 

[OpsCheckGood]

Tell your indoc guy that you are super good friends with Leonard! He'll know who you are talking about. Leonard pulls so much weight you don't even need his last name. Tell him you and Leonard go way back and you'll get whatever you want!

 

[IflyAviator]

At 23, you have a decent shot of NOT getting the ATR. There are many 20-21-22 year olds in the classes. You will probably not get the CRJ anyways.

So are you saying that I probably won't get the CRJ. When I was in the my interview Dan said they were not planning on getting rid of the ATR's but that was because they didn't have any planes to replace them with, once they do then it would be gone. Thats just what he said. Oh, and yes your right about being able to get a job under 2500TT. I'm not complaining because I'm blessed to have a job, just trying to get some info. Thanks guys.

 

[rf285]

The ATR is an excellent airplane. I flew it for two years as a captain. You WILL make more money on it. All the cities are within the ground delay range for ATL and you can get major overs as a result. I was holding 17 days off on average with 95 plus hours of credit with out and backs (daylines). If not working is your style, nap lines (high speeds, standups, etc.) are normally in the 13 day off range and 22 hours of block. Easy work. It will teach you how to fly "right".

The only downside to the airplane is if you want that "barbie jet time" which would only hinder you if you were an intern at CAL with low PIC time.

You will love it.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If you get assigned the ATR and don't want it, just go to Scott Hall and tell him that you went to ERAU, have a 717 type and are a jet pilot, not a prop pilot.

We had a newhire try that a couple of months ago. Actually, never mind, it didn't work.

 

[ohplease!]

I have a class date with ASA soon. I understand that type of equipment is assigned by senority in the first week of indoc. My question is, if I was assigned the ATR and I wanted to be placed on the CRJ is it possible to decline or bid out of the ATR right away or do you have to go through training still and wait for a later date to switch? I am 23 so I will probably be one of the younger in the class.

Look kiddo, take the ATR (even if they try to give you the RJ), Learn how to actually fly an actual airplane before coming to the RJ and pushing buttons. You'll be better for it in the long run. Besides, what they all said......

 

[Flyer1015]

I have a class date with ASA soon. I understand that type of equipment is assigned by senority in the first week of indoc. My question is, if I was assigned the ATR and I wanted to be placed on the CRJ is it possible to decline or bid out of the ATR right away or do you have to go through training still and wait for a later date to switch? I am 23 so I will probably be one of the younger in the class.

Just tell them you are too 'good' to fly a turboprop. If you do that, they'll automatically give you the CRJ.

 

[CFI2766]

I have a class date with ASA soon. I understand that type of equipment is assigned by senority in the first week of indoc. My question is, if I was assigned the ATR and I wanted to be placed on the CRJ is it possible to decline or bid out of the ATR right away or do you have to go through training still and wait for a later date to switch? I am 23 so I will probably be one of the younger in the class.

I'd suggest you quit hatin' on the ATR. Ever flown one?

I was senior in my class to have my choice. I took the ATR, and I'm glad every day that I did. Great airplane (when the company spends money to keep it maintained [same could be said of the RJ]), great crews, the BEST trainining department of ANY airline, big or small, and a lounge on D with no chief pilots. It simply doesn't get any better than this.

Get over the shiny jet syndrome. In fact, when you get to class, BID for the ATR. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Great..... another new hire that is too good to fly the ATR.... Just go somewhere that only flies jets....

 

[COOPERVANE]

If you get assigned the ATR and don't want it, just go to Scott Hall and tell him that you went to ERAU, have a 717 type and are a jet pilot, not a prop pilot

Also, make sure your cell phone is always turned on so it will ring in the sim. On your 12th sim, answer it and tell the IP to SSHHHOOOOSH!

 

[RadioClash]

When I left ASA I had more than 4000 hours in the CRJ and about 1000 in the E-120. I had more fun on the E-120 than the CRJ. Trust me the CRJ is not all that great. And believe me chicks don't care if you fly a jet or a turboprop just telling them that you are an airline pilot will melt their panties off :laugh:

Take the ATR, there is something about turboprops that is getting to be nostalgic. You will learn more and from what I remember ATR crews and overnites are legendary at ASA.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Great..... another new hire that is too good to fly the ATR.... Just go somewhere that only flies jets....

I agree. If you don't want to fly a turboprop, then do some research on the company before you put in an application and accept a class date.

Just like I have to tell every other newhire that only wants the mighty CRJ...go fly the damn ATR before all the turbo props are gone. You'll have plenty of time in your career to fly a jet.

Besides, newflash....the CRJ 200 performs about as well as the ATR anyways.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm telling you, with your 250 hours, tell them you're over qualified for the ATR. Demand the CRJ, and you'll get it.

Sometimes, it takes arrogance, bad attitude, and a "I'm the sh*t" attitude to get things done!

Oh, and let them know you're God's gift to aviation when you request the CRJ.

Follow the rules above, and you're golden.

 

[centralpilot]

Also, make sure your cell phone is always turned on so it will ring in the sim. On your 12th sim, answer it and tell the IP to SSHHHOOOOSH!

YGTBFSM! :laugh:

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm telling you, with your 250 hours, tell them you're over qualified for the ATR. Demand the CRJ, and you'll get it.

Sometimes, it takes arrogance, bad attitude, and a "I'm the sh*t" attitude to get things done!

Oh, and let them know you're God's gift to aviation when you request the CRJ.

Follow the rules above, and you're golden.

Better yet, just send them a message on you Blackberry..... Tell them your too good for the ATR....

 

[whatitdoing?]

Or run out of his office crying and saying that you won't sleep with him.......that usually works good.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Also, make sure your cell phone is always turned on so it will ring in the sim. On your 12th sim, answer it and tell the IP to SSHHHOOOOSH!

Yeah. That's good shiznit there.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I think I've figured out his motive. The chicks on craigslist would rather bang an RJ pilot instead of some lowly ATR prop-trash.

Hey man, just keep the ASA logo out of your picture.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I think I've figured out his motive. The chicks on craigslist would rather bang an RJ pilot instead of some lowly ATR prop-trash.

Hey man, just keep the ASA logo out of your picture.

Hey, hey, easy there. It's a well documented fact that ATR pilots get laid more than Barbie Jet pilots...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Hey, hey, easy there. It's a well documented fact that ATR pilots get laid more than Barbie Jet pilots...

You're right, but that's not the myth coming out of Riddle though. I saw more crazy stuff when I was on the ATR then at any other time at this company.:beer: imp:

One month of long VPS layovers with two ATR crews, a DFW jet crew, the lazy river, and Helen Back's was enough proof for me.

 

[John Pennekamp]

You're right, but that's not the myth coming out of Riddle though. I saw more crazy stuff when I was on the ATR then at any other time at this company.:beer: imp:

One month of long VPS layovers with two ATR crews, a DFW jet crew, the lazy river, and Helen Back's was enough proof for me.

I have no idea who you are, but I was there. That was some crazy stuff. I miss that place.

The new VPS is Hilton Head, FYI. Only an ATR crew would be bold enough and drunk enough to skinny dip at 2AM at The Westin, HHI Resort!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

The new VPS is Hilton Head, FYI.

...... just don't treat the runways the same...... HHH is about as long as VPS was wide.....

 

[rightseatjocky]

Great..... another new hire that is too good to fly the ATR.... Just go somewhere that only flies jets....

I agree. Some of these new hires need to just go to another company that doesn't have props. I guess their parents money is too good to fly props. Someone said they should call SH and tell him they are too good. I heard that story also, that person should've been taken out to ops and told them there. He would've quit from the laughing. We all have put our time in at ASA and these new hires need to get a grip on reality.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The new VPS is Hilton Head, FYI. Only an ATR crew would be bold enough and drunk enough to skinny dip at 2AM at The Westin, HHI Resort!!!

You just don't see that on the RJ. :nuts:

 

[rightseatjocky]

Ahhhh the lazy river. I do miss that hotel also. Being right no the beach was cool. Man, what was the name of that pizza place down the road? Hells something?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ahhhh the lazy river. I do miss that hotel also. Being right no the beach was cool. Man, what was the name of that pizza place down the road? Hells something?

Hell'n'Back. Come on, man! (But it makes sense if you can't remember. VPS overnights are like Studio 54... if you can remember being there, you weren't really there!)

 

[rightseatjocky]

lauging, why would I say I was there when I wasn't. I was dallas based and have been there. OH ya, forgot that I didn't go there with dangerous dan. Who is he, oh don't know maybe have never been in the van either. haha.. oh ya, I miss the tiggers also, as I didn't give him one either. I must be nuts and never have been there.

 

[John Pennekamp]

lauging, why would I say I was there when I wasn't. I was dallas based and have been there. OH ya, forgot that I didn't go there with dangerous dan. Who is he, oh don't know maybe have never been in the van either. haha.. oh ya, I miss the tiggers also, as I didn't give him one either. I must be nuts and never have been there.

Crazy Dan still works for that taxi company. I heard Keith (Tigger) got fired for showing up for work drunk.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Yes on both accounts. Keith couldn't stay away from the bottle. Dan still works there and is one in charge now. Still drives crazy.