AGE 60 passes Senate today..

[HarryShadow]

Any mention of “age 70” and I vote we get to kick all you old farts square in the stones (literally).

 

[LeonPhelps]

Veto?

Hey, I've heard/read from a couple of different sources, that Bush plans to veto this bill...not necessarilly for the age 65 rule, but because it is an addtional spending bill that he disagrees with. Now, I understand that it was passed with enough votes to overrule a veto, but if vetoed, it still has to go back for a vote(through both chambers?), and then overrule a veto at that point? Am I off on what I learned in civics class?

I know that the votes exist to ovverrule the veto, understood...but, any of you big brained smart guys out there have any understanding of the process to go ahead and overrule that veto? Anyone have information on likelihood of a veto? Anyone have a bottle of courvosier for good ole' Leon?

Heck, I know that even a few months means more retirements...how are you folks at FedEx/UPS on this one? I bet a lot of our older friends went to the engineer panel to ride this storm out...are there a lot of folks hanging on the panel so that they can remove that tape off their fourth stripes(true story I've heard about at least one guy) and become in charge again? Best of luck to ya...

 

[Paul R. Smith]

So for those of us with class dates in late Sept. early Oct, is this something we should withhold our resignation letters for? I don't want to resign my seniority and then get canned by future employer before I get a chance to get going.

 

[HarryShadow]

Hey, I've heard/read from a couple of different sources, that Bush plans to veto this bill...not necessarilly for the age 65 rule, but because it is an addtional spending bill that he disagrees with. Now, I understand that it was passed with enough votes to overrule a veto, but if vetoed, it still has to go back for a vote(through both chambers?), and then overrule a veto at that point? Am I off on what I learned in civics class?

I know that the votes exist to ovverrule the veto, understood...but, any of you big brained smart guys out there have any understanding of the process to go ahead and overrule that veto? Anyone have information on likelihood of a veto? Anyone have a bottle of courvosier for good ole' Leon?

Heck, I know that even a few months means more retirements...how are you folks at FedEx/UPS on this one? I bet a lot of our older friends went to the engineer panel to ride this storm out...are there a lot of folks hanging on the panel so that they can remove that tape off their fourth stripes(true story I've heard about at least one guy) and become in charge again? Best of luck to ya...

Well versed Leon…well versed. Here I am talking of kicking old dudes square in their low danglers and you’re wishing everyone good luck. I am a jerk!!!

 

[Falconjet]

Still a long way to go, and many of us certainly need to go back and figure out how bills become laws in this country.

This from the ALPA fastread today:

"By an 88-7 vote, the Senate today passed its FY'08 Transportation Appropriations bill with one important modification: At the urging of ALPA, it added the “Oberstar language” that ALPA has supported for any legislative directives to change the mandatory pilot retirement age rule. The Senate version of this bill now must be reconciled with the House-passed Transportation Appropriations bill, which does not address changing the rule. (The Oberstar language is contained in the House FAA reauthorization bill.) ALPA will provide a more detailed status update on this legislation in a future FastRead".



The following from US News and World Report Sep 17, 2007:

Showdown Over Spending, pg 33:

"If Senate Democratic leaders can pass the transportation bill this week, they will have completed four of the 12 bills. The House and Senate versions of each bill must be reconciled before heading to Bush's desk.......All of that finagling could force Congress to miss the September 30 deadline, leaving lawmakers to fund government with short-term stopgap measures."



Those stop gap measures would be Continuing Resolutions, like the one the FAA is currently still operating under for FY07.

There is still a long way to go.

By the way, Bush has threatened to veto nine of the 12 bills. Wonder what Congress will do and how long it will take to get any of those over the hump if he does veto them.

FJ

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

65 was coming no matter what... might as well get it over with.

 

[Flopgut]

question for someone with more knowledge than I:

I was under the impression that the "B" fund existed as a means of compensating pilots for not being able to work all the way to retirement age (65), i.e., the B fund payments over a career would make up for five years' less income with mandatory retirement at age 60.

is that the case, and if so, now what?

Great point! IMHO, mgt(s) will come to the CBA process with the thesis that we no longer are in need of B plans since we can now work to a more normal retirement age.

Nevermind that we have no A plans!

No account MFrs that want this could care less! Just read what the sum b!tches are writing on here: They just want the pay!

We'll all be suffering the age 70 argument in 3-5 years...

 

[General Lee]

Does anyone know where the old FEs at UPS and Fedex can go next on a new bid? Could they rebid the left seat?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FoxHunter]

Does anyone know where the old FEs at UPS and Fedex can go next on a new bid? Could they rebid the left seat?


Bye Bye--General Lee

The S/Os at FedEx can bid any seat their seniority will allow. The company has the right not to train them if they are within 24 months of the regulated age. In that case they will be pay protected for the higher pay.

 

[Andy Neill]

Hey, I've heard/read from a couple of different sources, that Bush plans to veto this bill...not necessarilly for the age 65 rule, but because it is an addtional spending bill that he disagrees with. Now, I understand that it was passed with enough votes to overrule a veto, but if vetoed, it still has to go back for a vote(through both chambers?), and then overrule a veto at that point? Am I off on what I learned in civics class?

I know that the votes exist to ovverrule the veto, understood...but, any of you big brained smart guys out there have any understanding of the process to go ahead and overrule that veto?

When HR 3074 was passed in the house, it was done so with a 268-153 vote which is short of the 290 votes to make 2/3 needed for veto override. By the way, the vote was 99.7% yes on the Democratic side of the house and 78% no on the Republican side. I couldn't begin to guess on how the votes might fall or why on the conference committee report version of the bill. There is a lot more to it than Age 65 considerations.