Skybus

[UAL-GSO]

FAs are quitting as fast as they train them, working too hard for $9/hr.

Supposed to get stock options, but nothing in paper until a visit to the chief pilot to sign an agreement regarding not trying to bring a union in the property. No body is signing this.

Moral is already falling.

Anybody surprised by this?

 

[Ralph Cramden]

AT ACA? BAHAHAHAHAHA!!

One of you turds is correct though, not ALL Blueridgers bought there jobs, therefore not ALL ACA'ers are turds,

but all who bought jobs ARE turds, got it turdbusboy?

Hey farm boy. Hate to break it to you but ACA did away with PFT about a decade before it went under.

You sure are angry for a guy that hides his past & present in his (her?) profile. I think you got turned down by ACA and Skybus and had to buy your type at Mesa. It must be tough going through life with such anger. Good luck, go slop your hogs and quit molesting the sheep.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I see those skybus folks there in CMH quite often. Wonder how much less the stair thing is vs having a real jetway.........probably cheaper right now, but when someone falls on those stairs and sues skybus, I am sure that the cost of having a jetway would be cheaper.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

Hey Cramden,

Could it be that I WAS a Blueridger who DIDN'T pay for training while you did? Just because guys like you have low self esteem and think it's ok to go to work for substandard wages, the bargaining position of all pilots everyhwere are lessened. Based on your profile I imagine you're wearing blue gloves now or are driving to CMH. Lets get one thing straight. All of you TURDS are essentailly justifiying PFT and working for substandard wages, let's go down the list again,

at Scumbus,

you have to bring your own laptop,

Now, here is a little f'rinstance, how long would it be if things keep going like they are at JB until Barger says, all new hires have to buy there own laptops. Anyone who thinks it can't happen is a fool.

The mentality of TURDS like Ralph and the rest of the SCUMBUS training department is basically one of, I care about no one but myself, that same mentality is also held by most scabs. People with this same type of mentality thought it was OK to buy a job way back in the day, as soon as airline managers realized there were too many pilots chasing too few jobs, they exploited this mental weakness. Soon, more airlines began to use PFT. ACA, then CONEX and on and on.

At scumbus, here is the pay,

Capt pay is $68.42/hr, FO $31.58/hr
1/2 pay for deadheads
A319 training is 6-week course in Miami
Salary begins once training is complete


That Captain pay is HALF what it should be. Because TURDS like you go to work at places like this, all pilots everywhere are harmed.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we don't exist in a vacumn. What we do affects us all.

If Scumbus continues to grow, airline mangement will again see just what some pilots will put up with, or go to work for, and exploit that during the next round of contract talks when times get tough.

Just how stupid are you guys?

And another thing, please understand, I'm not angry at all. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Skybus pilots, and those that have in the past or now actually PFT are the ones that

"cant handle the truth"

You are hurting yourselves, and you are hurting all pilots everywhere. You're just to stupid to realize it.

That my friends is a sad thing.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

I don't work at Skybus farm boy and never paid for any types or training in my entire career. Thats all 8 of them.

At the end of Indy I left commercial aviation for the corporate training world. If you want a Gulfstream V type and have $67K to spend I can help you further your PFT ways. I'm sure you can handle a little 'ole G550, right?

Have a good day...

 

[FlyingFarmer]

Doh!



OUCH!!! I've just been spanked!!!!

REALLY hard!!!

LOL!!!

Oh man Ralphie boy! You just CRACKED me up! For the record, I didn't call YOU stupid. Now as far as being a pig anatomy inspector, c'mon man, you have to know what some of these long haul FA's look like?



G-Day! :beer:

 

[Captzaahlie]

Skybus is a pantload! I give em 6 to 8 months.

Six to eight months and they will be better than double in size,(65 confirmed a/c orders in the next 48 months w/ a special 12 year manufactures maint. plan~ this is what will give them the lowest seat cost ever in the us aviation history to date). I'm going to be enjoying the left seat of an brand new A319 inside of 8 months.( if I accept the job offer.) Am I selling out the industry because I'm willing to fly for 80k? (with profit sharing to follow). Have I ever paid for training or bought a type rating? Do I bad mouth fellow pilots for being part of airlines that contract themselves out to fly for the majors? (now who's really the whore?) Do I only have 6k hrs of flight experience like farm boy?
Do I really care about a few peoples negative opinion is of this great new upstart is?(only enough to set the story straight). The answer to all the above is a big fat negative.
Oh yeah, BTW load factor has been roughly 80% or better ...............

 

[Captzaahlie]

Why all the anger? I bet you interviewed at ACA and got turned down.
No, I do not work for Skybus.

I think F&F hasnt had any action in awhile , he vents his frustrations here on this board....
Evrybody gets turned down at an airline interview from time to time, F&F prob. just gets turned down each and every time he asks for date.... thats my guess.
Look out livestock, run sheep run.......!

 

[Captzaahlie]

Is it true that the F/As get commission for selling stuff during the flight? Tell me this is a mean rumor!

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070908/20070908005001.html?.v=1

 

[Shrek]

Six to eight months and they will be better than double in size,(65 confirmed a/c orders in the next 48 months w/ a special 12 year manufactures maint. plan~ this is what will give them the lowest seat cost ever in the us aviation history to date). I'm going to be enjoying the left seat of an brand new A319 inside of 8 months.( if I accept the job offer.) Am I selling out the industry because I'm willing to fly for 80k? (with profit sharing to follow). Have I ever paid for training or bought a type rating? Do I bad mouth fellow pilots for being part of airlines that contract themselves out to fly for the majors? (now who's really the whore?) Do I only have 6k hrs of flight experience like farm boy?
Do I really care about a few peoples negative opinion is of this great new upstart is?(only enough to set the story straight). The answer to all the above is a big fat negative.
Oh yeah, BTW load factor has been roughly 80% or better ...............

I think I just threw up a lil............

 

[Captzaahlie]

I think I just threw up a lil............

enjoy the taste....

try some of that motion sickness stuff ,it'll help you guys with the constant butterflies in the stomach thing....

 

[skiandsurf]

I'm going to be enjoying the left seat of an brand new A319 inside of 8 months.( if I accept the job offer.)

Just a heads up to you, I have talked to a couple of these pilots that left "good companies" for Skybus, and now regret going to Skybus. I am not sure where you work now (and I will not say where they came from, for their own protection), but take this into consideration before you leave a "good company".

If you are working at a sh!tty company now, good luck at Skybus.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Just a heads up to you, I have talked to a couple of these pilots that left "good companies" for Skybus, and now regret going to Skybus. I am not sure where you work now (and I will not say where they came from, for their own protection), but take this into consideration before you leave a "good company".

If you are working at a sh!tty company now, good luck at Skybus.

Hy S&S,
I welcome the advice and the vote of good luck.
I'm pretty sure that I know what I'm getting into, but I'm curious as to what their beef is....

 

[PCL_128]

Didn't you recently interview at AirTran? Did it not work out, or did you turn it down? Why Skybus when so many other reputable carriers are hiring?

 

[skiandsurf]

Hy S&S,
I welcome the advice and the vote of good luck.
I'm pretty sure that I know what I'm getting into, but I'm curious as to what their beef is....

These may seem like small complaints, but they add up.

1. Lies. They havent received their stock options paperwork. They are required to go to the Chief Pilots office to sign a "No Union Agreement". After they do this they will get their paperwork. Apparently, nobody is signing the paper.

2. They go thru FAs faster then they can train them. They either quit or get fired. The FAs are not happy. The commision is not working as planned.

3. No overnights. Fly west and deadhead back. Those seats are not comfy.

4. Crashpads. They are in it every night of work, due to no overnights.

These are just a few of the complaints that I have heard of.

 

[PCL_128]

They are required to go to the Chief Pilots office to sign a "No Union Agreement". After they do this they will get their paperwork.

Please tell your buddies to report this to the Department of Labor and the National Mediation Board. This is blatantly illegal.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Please tell your buddies to report this to the Department of Labor and the National Mediation Board. This is blatantly illegal.

it's not true, nor is the myth that there is some kind of training contract...

 

[Captzaahlie]

Didn't you recently interview at AirTran? Did it not work out, or did you turn it down? Why Skybus when so many other reputable carriers are hiring?

Coach and Miss L. loved me, but Mr. Uhmmm. is a tough nut to crack....... (all 3 had to dig you)
In 6 months we just might see again.
Still a great over all experience!

Sure there's risk but what other airline will you get to the left seat so fast?

Skybus has got a shot at being something very big if it just scratches the surface of what Ryan Air is doing in Europe. They have even gotten their costs lower because of this:

http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/archiv/2006/2006/Airbus/20061106_airbus_skybus.html

Time will tell....

 

[PCL_128]

Coach and Miss L. loved me, but Mr. Uhmmm. is a tough nut to crack....... (all 3 had to dig you)
In 6 months we just might see again.
Still a great over all experience!

Sorry it didn't work out. Hopefully you'll turn down the Skybus job and give us another shot down the line.

Sure there's risk but what other airline will you get to the left seat so fast?

I wouldn't care if they offered me the CEO seat that fast. I don't want anything to do with an airline that is treating their employees so horribly. Just $65k for an Airbus CA? I made significantly more than that as a 5-year CRJ Captain. I can make more than that as a 2 year 717 FO at AirTran if I work a little harder than usual. There's simply no reason to sell yourself so short. I hope you reconsider. You're worth more than that, especially with your level of experience.

 

[vixin]

I don't want anything to do with an airline that is treating their employees so horribly. Just $65k for an Airbus CA? I can make more than that as a 2 year 717 FO at AirTran if I work a little harder than usual. There's simply no reason to sell yourself so short. I hope you reconsider. You're worth more than that, especially with your level of experience.

Not only this but think about the next interview if Stybus doesnt work out. Who cares about upgrading so fast for 65k? It just maybe the mark to kill your career.

 

[BigMeat]

PCL you do not want somone like Captzaahlie working for Airtran. He seems like the guy that would walk through a picket line. Skybus sucks and anyone going to it makes me question their professionalism as a career pilot. Airtran is a good company with a strong group of guys. I hope you guys can shoot down that crappy TA.

 

[Captzaahlie]

PCL you do not want someone like Captzaahlie working for Airtran. He seems like the guy that would walk through a picket line. Skybus sucks and anyone going to it makes me question their professionalism as a career pilot. Airtran is a good company with a strong group of guys. I hope you guys can shoot down that crappy TA.

Little meat you seem to stretch your associations pretty far.... could it be a touch of the mad cow disease?
I actively back my union, have volunteered on a regular basis and am well liked by my peers.
Just WTF does wanting to get in on the ground floor of a start up have to do with crossing a picket line? What wages I'm willing to start at is really my own business, I wouldn't be so willing to start there if I didn't know that pay raises will follow as things get up to speed. I know a lot of guys who sold their souls to fly a B1900 for midwest/mesa, to get a foot in the door, how is that any different. Guys made a whole lot more flying turbo props at other companies.....seems like some hypocritical thinking to me. (accepting $25 an hour and no health insurance for 6 months is pretty desperate too, don't you think? Do I assume you are going to cross a picket line because of it? No, I'm not in high school anymore.....)

 

[BigMeat]

First year pay at Cont. sucks. Thats usually the norm at most majors, albiet CALs really sucks. The point is that we are in a place where there is room to better ourselves. Ive turned down jobs that got me into large jets because I believe that all I have worked for ,deserves better than that. The majors are all going to be hiring soon. Not saying that you want to go to one but but its going to cause a vacuum all over the industry. Try holding out for a more respectful company. If this was 9-11 and had thousands of furloughees and you had to feed a family I could understand. Not now. Go to Expressjet if you have to. They pay more with much much better benefits. I just hate seeing pilots sell themselves short when the industry is turning around. Let Skybus get the what they pay for. Not true professionals, maybe then they will raise their compensation.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

.... Try holding out for a more respectful company........I just hate seeing pilots sell themselves short when the industry is turning around. ........ Not true professionals, maybe then they will raise their compensation.

But you work for a company that doesn't pay health care benefits to new hires, right?

Somehow that's ok????

 

[temcgrew]

http://despair.com/achievement.html

Insert picture of a Skybus plane and there you go.....

 

[flywest]

Ask and you shall receive!

http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff5/flywest_photos/?action=view&current=skybusachievement.jpg

 

[samballs]

But you work for a company that doesn't pay health care benefits to new hires, right?

Somehow that's ok????

You seemed willing to deal with that, fatty.

 

[El Pobre]

ALPA national.....oooohhhhh very scary.....I'm sure Skybus' management must be pissin' in thier boots....NOT!

 

[buxflyr]

I see those skybus folks there in CMH quite often. Wonder how much less the stair thing is vs having a real jetway.........probably cheaper right now, but when someone falls on those stairs and sues skybus, I am sure that the cost of having a jetway would be cheaper.

Big deal...like half the regionals out there dont use the door stairs to board? Look at CLT. Over 3/4 of the E gates are outside boarding. I bet that pax total per day outdoes the per day outside boarding total in CMH.

Price will win. Skybus will stay around for a long time and has a chance to be big. Why?

1. They have the funding. (More than Jetblue when they started, and more than almost any startup airline.)

2. They have the pilots. (Why not work for 30k a year when you can be flying an Airbus?!!)

3. They have the pax. (Heard the loads are 85%...higher westbound.) This is the first player flying multiple vacation/business destination west coast flights from CMH and the people are jumping on it. They will deal with the little things to save a buck. Its the market we are in. Whether we as pilots like it or not, the management runs the ship and they are playing to the demand.

4. A business plan can and will change. (Give it time...they can make connections work when they get some of those new ((65 on order)) A-319's, a little time to build experience in this whole airline thing, and growth to support it. This is a startup, and it will take time for things to materialize into a full fledged "airline".

Summary: Whether we like it or not, Skybus has a model that is and will continue to work (for management.) They have cheap fares, destinations that people in central Ohio will want to get out of come January and costs that they can manage.

It will take the first contract of an airline to be signed that recovers the losses of 9/11 before anyone sees relief. At that point, there is some, if little, bargaining. Whether it be American, Delta, or US Airways, someone has to make it happen. Even then...we are looking at a few years before everyone is going to have a piece of the pie back in their contract. Never again will it be the same, but it can be close. Skybus may be the last, but they will be around, and its up to the pilots to make it better for themselves.

 

[PCL_128]

(Why not work for 30k a year when you can be flying an Airbus?!!)

I think I'm going to hurl. uke: