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Good luck with that auction....
 
$75.00!!!! I hate it when pilots try to profit from other pilots. Now, here you are looking for some sap who will pay you to get screwed and give the preverbial finger to an organization which has done more toward making the US Airline industry the safest on the planet and envy of the world.
Does anyone else see the irony between spikey-haired IPOD pilots who sell out for the shiney jet and this seller?
 
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It saddens me to part with it. Perfect gift for the "eastie", UALer, ASAer, Colganer, Mesa-er, Westjetter on your Christmas list.:bawling:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290158958039


Are you getting rid of it beause your beloved management team screwed you? Wish you now had some representation? Or did you have a moment of clarity and actually want someone to have a tought about you that didn't include thinking of you as a dollar sign or a number?
 
Joe Merchant will bid $500 dollars for it...

From listing item decription....

Not being a fan of the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) myself, I had this cap custom made in Korea.

By non union slave like labor no doubt. How many US Child labor laws did you break obtaining this little gem? :rolleyes:


The cap is new, and worn only once.

If you wore it then it has been used and therefore not new. False advertising?


As there are many, many groups of current airline pilots in the commercial world working hard to unseat ALPA or prevent ALPA from coming to their company, the time is ripe to send a very visible message.

Then why not buy the hat from yourself and "send that message"

You will not only be the first on your block to own one, but perhaps the only one. I know of only 4 similar caps in existence.

Imagine passing one of the other three on the street.. it would be love at first sight....

Wow... a four man ALPA wrecking ball..... hey...wait a minute.... is this the RJDC??

The starting price is very high...

The price would be high to schuck ALPA...


and it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell.

That might tell you something studwhip...
 
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$75.00!!!! I hate it when pilots try to profit from other pilots. Now, here you are looking for some sap who will pay you to get screwed and give the preverbial finger to an organization which has done more toward making the US Airline industry the safest on the planet and envy of the world.
Does anyone else see the irony between spikey-haired IPOD pilots who sell out for the shiney jet and this seller?


Ahh. Does this make my day, or what? Yo baby. Rock on!!...or whatever it is that passes for "cool" these days!:nuts:
 
And just when I thought HelloNewWoman and instructordude firmly held the lead for biggest flightinfo do0ches, ironspud makes a sprint for the number one spot...


Ummmm..let's see. You're the guy that bought his flight time from a SCAB operator. Yeah - you rock!!
 
$75.00? I think I'll opt to pay the same 6 bucks you did from the same place you did(ICN).

If anyone is interested in this hat I would be more than happy to have the same hat made for you at cost(6 bucks). Don't give $75.00 to this dim wit.
 
$75.00!!!! I hate it when pilots try to profit from other pilots. Now, here you are looking for some sap who will pay you to get screwed and give the preverbial finger to an organization which has done more toward making the US Airline industry the safest on the planet and envy of the world.
Does anyone else see the irony between spikey-haired IPOD pilots who sell out for the shiney jet and this seller?


I don't see a corelation between youthful styles and selfishness, but I sure see a corelation between the type of "individual" who would buy something for 6 dollars and try and sell it to a fellow pilot for $75 as the same type of personality that wants to trash ALPA because of his own very high level of self interest.
 
$75.00? I think I'll opt to pay the same 6 bucks you did from the same place you did(ICN).

If anyone is interested in this hat I would be more than happy to have the same hat made for you at cost(6 bucks). Don't give $75.00 to this dim wit.

Ironspud! You are being out bid.... how egregious! You need some sort of protection! Some sort of representation.....

Now you just wasted $2 on a listing and showed FI the capabilities of your skillset!
 
Maybe Prater and his $485,411/yr salary can bid on it. We know that few 30K/yr ALPA newhires can afford it.

Ironspud,

Hopefully you guys at AA will keep ALPA out of your pockets if you know what's go for you. APA is a much better union that ALPA.
 
Maybe Prater and his $485,411/yr salary can bid on it.

Prater doesn't make close to $485k a year. Keep believing that anti-ALPA propaganda though. You're playing right into management's hands.
 
Maybe Prater and his $485,411/yr salary can bid on it. We know that few 30K/yr ALPA newhires can afford it.

Man.. I thought by now you'd be educated... I guess you like to go with a street education. If your CEO said the hotels he pays for while you were on your trips where part of your compensation package and you had to pay taxes on that expense... would you feel like you made three times as much?

Ironspud,

Hopefully you guys at AA will keep ALPA out of your pockets if you know what's go for you. APA is a much better union that ALPA.

The AA guys left ALPA because of ego's and they will stay away from ALPA because of ego's....

The APA and ALPA might merge in about 10 years... when the global forces are so strong and the APA and ALPA realize they have more in common than not. Until then the APA is doing just fine buying servies from ALPA ala carte and getting dinged for illegal job actions...

Right now the APA's political presence is weak and they buy contract, negotiating services from ALPA...

Are they better than ALPA? I got 45 million reasons why not....
 
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Worn Once.....

Was it only worn once because someone handily kicked your butt and you were too scared to wear it again....

Could you put out a bid on the priviledge and undeniable honor of getting to kick you in the nuts as hard as the high bidder would like? I'll bet that one would go pretty high. I gladly would pay $500 just to bury my size 11 on the old giblets!

-Rochambeau---- I get to go first!
 
PCL 128,

Yeah, I'm playing into managements hands. Get a clue.

His salary is from the Department of Labor. It's total compensation. You're probably pissed at what management makes, as am I. But I'm also pissed that the ALPA national officers make what they make while newhires make what they make. ALPA officers should make whatever they made at their repective airlines plus housing and meals. Keeping drinking the ALPA coolaid. ALPA is a business and you and I finance it.

Rez,

I got one reason why the are better than ALPA. ALPA's treatment and lack of representation of the TWA pilots during the TWA/AA merger. They, and all ALPA members, should have moved mountains to make sure what happened to us wouldn't happen. But I guess thinking that a union should be unified and take care of all it's members makes me street educated.

ALPA is about cash just like all the airline CEO's.
 
His salary is from the Department of Labor. It's total compensation.

That's right: total compensation, including expenses. His salary that he actually gets to take home is barely higher than an average FedEx widebody Captain will make. For all of the work that the President does, he should be making a lot more than that.

You're probably pissed at what management makes, as am I.

I don't care what management makes, as long as I get my fair share.

But I'm also pissed that the ALPA national officers make what they make while newhires make what they make. ALPA officers should make whatever they made at their repective airlines plus housing and meals.

The President is the only Officer with a special compensation package, because he is actually an employee of the Association. The other three Officers get exactly what you're talking about: Flight Pay Loss that covers exactly what they would make at their respective airlines for what their seniority would hold, plus money for expenses.

ALPA is a business and you and I finance it.

ALPA is nothing even remotely resembling a business. The majority of the carriers that ALPA represents actually cost the Association more in expenses than they bring in in dues. The Legacy carriers have to make up for the short fall. Not exactly how you would run a business.

They, and all ALPA members, should have moved mountains to make sure what happened to us wouldn't happen.

Move mountains? Give me a break. ALPA is not a magic wand for you to simply waive at your problems and expect them to go away. ALPA did the best that could be done under the circumstances. Your anger should be directed at AMR and the APA, not ALPA.
 
PCL 128,

Yeah, I'm playing into managements hands. Get a clue.

His salary is from the Department of Labor. It's total compensation. You're probably pissed at what management makes, as am I. But I'm also pissed that the ALPA national officers make what they make while newhires make what they make. ALPA officers should make whatever they made at their repective airlines plus housing and meals. Keeping drinking the ALPA coolaid. ALPA is a business and you and I finance it.

Rez,

I got one reason why the are better than ALPA. ALPA's treatment and lack of representation of the TWA pilots during the TWA/AA merger. They, and all ALPA members, should have moved mountains to make sure what happened to us wouldn't happen. But I guess thinking that a union should be unified and take care of all it's members makes me street educated.

ALPA is about cash just like all the airline CEO's.

Have you written, presented, and passed a resolution at the Local, and MEC levels to be brought forth at the National level to bring about change?
 
Yeah, I'm playing into managements hands. Get a clue.

Fighting amongts ourselves?

His salary is from the Department of Labor.

The DOL under the Bush admin has changed union finance reporting requirements, now costing union members thousands of extra dollars and manpower to comply with the rules.


It's total compensation. You're probably pissed at what management makes, as am I.

Focus on the issue!


But I'm also pissed that the ALPA national officers make what they make while newhires make what they make. ALPA officers should make whatever they made at their repective airlines plus housing and meals.

There are four ALPA national Officers. The prez makes more because he is the 24/7 go to guy. Why would a guy leave 15+ days off to work basically 24/7. There has to be some incentive. Keep in mind the average ALPA member doesn't understand how to be a union president. So the candidates are slim.

The other three make what they can holding the line plus expenses to live in one of the most expensive real estate area's.


Keeping drinking the ALPA coolaid. ALPA is a business and you and I finance it.

Well ALPA does sell union services to in house unions. They used to not charge the APA. What would the APA, IPA, NPA and SWAPA do if they couldn't use ALPA E&FA services?

Kool Aid...? I call it the facts. If being informed and understanding how things work is drinking the kool-aid then so be it.

Rez,

I got one reason why the are better than ALPA. ALPA's treatment and lack of representation of the TWA pilots during the TWA/AA merger.

Again...more street education. It seems you are the type of guy that develops opinions then massages the facts to fit your perception. try it the other way.... form no perception...get informed. Then decide.

They, and all ALPA members, should have moved mountains to make sure what happened to us wouldn't happen. But I guess thinking that a union should be unified and take care of all it's members makes me street educated.

Recall AMR and TWA was not a merger. The lawsuit is against AMR, APA and ALPA. So if you are going to trash ALPA then make sure you are objective.

ALPA is about cash just like all the airline CEO's.

No..I suspect that ALPA has done its typical weak job in gaining membership support. ALPA goes for the quick sell... the 30 min schpeal (sp) in new hire class.... "ALPA is great, ALPA will protect you, ALPA will get you a raise, upgrade YOU quicker"... Its like a snake oil salesman job. The problem is, guys get out to the line after Indoc and wait for ALPA to serve them. They believe that ALPA is their personal career valet. And when those expectations aren't met they think ALPA is [insert pkober opinion here].
 
Have you written, presented, and passed a resolution at the Local, and MEC levels to be brought forth at the National level to bring about change?

This is the way it works. See my post above. ALPA conditions its members to be served. Not to serve. ALPA doesn't do this intentionally, but they've got old school programs that need to be updated.

To pass a resolution on has to be politically savvy. Many pilots reject politics and its methods. Often if a pilot does draft a resolution, the wording is weak, doesn't account for others needs and can be quite impractical.

For example...

A pilot brings a resolution to an LEC meeting that says "We should all Stay at Hampton Inns". Usually the rez o. lewshun (oops :rolleyes: ) isn't shared with others before hand or only with pilots in the same political camp. The doc isn't discussed with the LEC leadership or the hotel committee.

So the pilot shows up determined with doc in hand. (some pilots have shown up with a verbal resolution). He gets it added to the late agenda items because he never contacted the S/T. Now, no one has seen this idea before and they must consider it all within a couple of hours. If it is complex or has serious implications it will probably be tabled or reject: author didn't politic the doc or do his/her homework.

So it hits the floor and someone says... 'Hampton Inn? Are you kidding we should be staying at Hyatts!' And someone else says "there are no Hyatts or Hampton Inns in K___ airport'. Next thing the pilot knows the doc has created more questions than solved problems. Because he didn't politic the legilation first. In addition one must be willing to compromise!

Now.... that is a slice of reality of representing pilots. It isn't easy. It isn't black and white. And when one has the repsonsibility of representing hundreds or thousands of pilots...all whom have thier own idea about what ALPA should do for them, it makes the ungrateful and under appreciative tasks of union work undesirable....

Now who wants to do what?
 
This is the way it works. See my post above. ALPA conditions its members to be served. Not to serve. ALPA doesn't do this intentionally, but they've got old school programs that need to be updated.

To pass a resolution on has to be politically savvy. Many pilots reject politics and its methods. Often if a pilot does draft a resolution, the wording is weak, doesn't account for others needs and can be quite impractical.

For example...

A pilot brings a resolution to an LEC meeting that says "We should all Stay at Hampton Inns". Usually the rez o. lewshun (oops :rolleyes: ) isn't shared with others before hand or only with pilots in the same political camp. The doc isn't discussed with the LEC leadership or the hotel committee.

So the pilot shows up determined with doc in hand. (some pilots have shown up with a verbal resolution). He gets it added to the late agenda items because he never contacted the S/T. Now, no one has seen this idea before and they must consider it all within a couple of hours. If it is complex or has serious implications it will probably be tabled or reject: author didn't politic the doc or do his/her homework.

So it hits the floor and someone says... 'Hampton Inn? Are you kidding we should be staying at Hyatts!' And someone else says "there are no Hyatts or Hampton Inns in K___ airport'. Next thing the pilot knows the doc has created more questions than solved problems. Because he didn't politic the legilation first. In addition one must be willing to compromise!

Now.... that is a slice of reality of representing pilots. It isn't easy. It isn't black and white. And when one has the repsonsibility of representing hundreds or thousands of pilots...all whom have thier own idea about what ALPA should do for them, it makes the ungrateful and under appreciative tasks of union work undesirable....

Now who wants to do what?

Exactly.

And your post brings a few problems with the membership to light:

1. Apathy -- most guys bitch about it, but want "someone else" to do all the work for them or expect the change to just come about by their bitching. Simply put, the majority of the membership is just too damn lazy.

2. Poor Knowledge of Union Workings -- Many people do not know how to draft a resolution that has the capability of being sound and passing. Too many people allow emotion to spill in to their drafts and therefore lose the "reason" behind the need for change. This is something that is being worked on behind the scenes at my carrier -- educating the membership about how to "utilize" the framework of the union to our collective advantage.

3. Lack of Resolve -- I have watched a resolution be brought forth that had one thing that killed it. That single facet could have been changed and the resolution most likely would have passed at all levels. The pilot(s) who brought it forth lost "steam" when the first one was rejected. See 1 & 2 above.

I, along with several others, are working to see the ALPA works the way it is supposed to. There are MANY things that need to be fixed. Simply complaining about them (not you Rez) does nothing. Getting involved, even if it is just to "fix" the problems does.
 
If it said P.H.U.C.K. ALPA I'd bid on it!


Hay Mr. Spud can you get one of those made in Korea.
2 if I can get one that fits my 'old' German Shepard dog........;)
 
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