wood pecker
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Absolutely. Question is WHO...? Several people talking about running, it's going to be a crazy race.I don't think ALPA will help any if we still don't get strong local leadership. The NPA would be great if we just had some strong leaders with a backbone step up and succeed at running for office.
Still working on it, buddy.I also think we should start a petition and get membership ratification voted into place. That will stop backdoor side deals.
You my friend sound like you will never by happy. Please take your self to the other airline where you will happy. You sir should not be knocking on the captains. I have not spoken to one that is not going to vote this thing down, to protect your unhappy a$$. Like I said if you are this unhappy leave.
I don't think ALPA will help any if we still don't get strong local leadership. The NPA would be great if we just had some strong leaders with a backbone step up and succeed at running for office.
I also think we should start a petition and get membership ratification voted into place. That will stop backdoor side deals.
I could not agree more. If an FO or Captain is not happy then leave.
The fundamental issues are Valujet/Original AirTran guys with no real union experience attempting to operate the NPA. Our negotiating committee was made up of 2 military guys- Skipper who has a horrible trsack record and Howard who has NEVER negotiated anything prior to this. We have very talented guys who were not allowed to participate on any level because the VJ/AT guys keeep a strangle hold on the NPA.
Sorry to chime in again, but this might be your problem right here as stated above. As I see your proposed rates, both sides need to come up. Especially the FO rates and the lower seniority CA rates. They are nowhere near what other compatible profitable airlines are at, even with their concessionary rates. Sounds like your Union and your management are trying to do quite a psychological job on your group. Give you a real bad contract to slowly work you into just a bad concessionary contract.
Yes, Alaska and everyone else who will be negotiating soon is or should be watching what AAI is doing. To not do so would be an irresponsibility to our profession and careers.
Just food for thought, as of next year, I believe UPS second year FO pay is $126 per hour. Most junior person on the seniority list at SWA gets 15 days off per contract. Best of luck guys.....
Reading this entire sordid thread reminds me of why I am such a big Tranny supporter. I love pilots that realize that "industry standard" is all the higher they should shoot for.
Looking through this thread, I haven't seen one Tranny pilot advocating "industry leading" pay, benefits, or work rules. Now that's the type of pilot group I am all about!
Sure, "industry standard" has been brought down to delivery truck driver wages thanks to the rash of bankruptcies. But let's face it, todays industry standard is basically all the higher airlines like Tranny can pay so that they can keep paying the big bucks to retain the most important part of the operation - the executives.
Joe Leonard is pure gold. Once again, a shout out to all my Tranny boys for doing the right thing and settling for mediocrity at best.
Tranny pilots - leading the way in lowering the bar.
Keep up the good work!