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Diesel

Diesel

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Shooting fish in a barrel. Both the MEC and the company took advantage of the pilot group. Only 1 mec rep had the balls to stand up and say we're getting screwed. Even JL was pulling to get this thing done. WTF.

"hey its not going to affect me guy."

Great hope you enjoy paying the company to work in HKG and CDG.

Disgusting and disgusted.
 
I too am absolutely disgusted with 68 % of our pilot group, and will be slam clicking for a looonnng time when I have to fly with them.
 
Pathetic. I love the "let's be unified" line as well. 70% against age 60--Union supports and supports retrocactivity--let's be unified. This LOA that doesn't even adjust like the USAF would for an airman basic--let's be unified.
Sha la la la la la, live for today...
 
You can tell that those who voted yes are embarrassed at what they just did to the junior pilots. They are reading just not trying to defend their position.

They know there is no way to defend a yes vote.
 
30 percent was probably all of subic and anc.

1.89 was probably mem
 
Diesel said:
30 percent was probably all of subic and anc.

1.89 was probably mem
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LOL. Sad. The "let them eat cake..." mentality just can't be kept out of an issue like this.

All management has to do is cut off small groups and pretty soon, the herd has scattered and can be picked off at managements leisure. TC
 
Frenchie said:
Only an idiot would of voted "No" on this LOA. Glad to see 68% of the work force was in touch with reality!!
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For real? As a SWA poolie do you really have any clue what you're talking about? Well, if you're right (which you're not) then I and many others at FDX are idiots. Maybe when FDX hires newbies into HGK and CDG you can get a job with us and see for yourself. We'll find out who the idiots are after two years of living overseas with this POS LOA.
 
Dunce130 - Life is about choice.... FDX will fill HGK and CDG without hiring a newbie. If your don't want to go, don't bid it. The company was going to proceed with these FDAs with or without the LOA. You don't remember the postal contract. Grow up, take an economics class, face reality..... You can do it... Baby Steps.
 
Frenchie said:
Dunce130 - Life is about choice.... FDX will fill HGK and CDG without hiring a newbie. If your don't want to go, don't bid it. The company was going to proceed with these FDAs with or without the LOA. You don't remember the postal contract. Grow up, take an economics class, face reality..... You can do it... Baby Steps.
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Wow. Are you on the negotiating committe or the MEC? You sound like it. This was the same tactics they used to rally the vote. Sarcasm in the face of opposition, "just don't bid it" syndrome, we have no leverage with the company, they'll open it anyway, finally followed by a personal attack on the people who opposed it. You sure you're not BC?
 
Sensitive130 - THis isn't personal, this is business. You voted for the MEC. They represented you. They made a business decision that will ensure you have a job in the future. If you don't like it, quit, run for office, Start your own airline.... Your whining is unbecoming. Have a nice day!
 
Frenchie said:
Sensitive130 - THis isn't personal, this is business. You voted for the MEC. They represented you. They made a business decision that will ensure you have a job in the future. If you don't like it, quit, run for office, Start your own airline.... Your whining is unbecoming. Hav
e a nice day!
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Noted....P-3..."served," but not really....4 posts....clown. Leave this to the actual FDX pilots.
 
Oh great and powerful "Magnuts," How could I compare to your "service"??? I thought we were discussing business and common sence. Sorry, it appears you may have shortcomings in these areas. See in Paris.
 
Frenchie:

You are an arrogant _rick! If you are one of us, why don't you bid Paris and show us what idiots we were to vote no?

Why are the Navy P-3 drivers such a bunch of maladjusted _uckups? I've wondered that for a long time. They're like the AWACS guys in the Air Force--we all know they _uck and they're a bunch of losers to boot. Is it Jet-envy?

WM
Proudly a "No"
 
Company Victory

Anyone that thinks this LOA is a "good deal"(or even a fair one) is kidding themselves. This was almost exactly the company's "First Offer", and was, as such, a starting point. That being said, it is water under the bridge (for now) and we have to live with it. It will be interesting to see what the "details to be determined later" will look like. This LOA has so many holes in it that it could not float across a narrow stream!

I find it hard to believe that the Union would so vehemently support such a POS without there being a "carrot" at the end of the dirty stick. I eagerly await the said "carrot".

Although I do not agree with the Unions handling of the age 60 fiasco, I do not believe that the two subjects are not related in any way (ie - it did not affect my vote).

I think we will be negotiating the "weaknesses' of this LOA on the next contract or two.

Fly Safe,
Krusty
 
Krusty's right. You guys (gender-neutral) will be forced to "buy" this LOA back in the next couple of contracts.

What will the company demand in exchange for better conditions for overseas basing?

Shortsighted. TC
 
Dunce130 - Life is about choice.... FDX will fill HGK and CDG without hiring a newbie. If your don't want to go, don't bid it. The company was going to proceed with these FDAs with or without the LOA. You don't remember the postal contract. Grow up, take an economics class, face reality..... You can do it... Baby Steps.
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Frenchie you really are an idiot. Don't bid it? What about when the company assigns you it for 3 months..... oh wait they saw that wasn't going to fly so they made it a 1 month assignment.

Its guys like frenchie who believe that the company and the mec can do no wrong. He can't think for himself and probably never even read the loa in the first place. His boyfriend voted yes and he figures he should vote yes.

This will take a long time to recoup. But hey frenchie is just happy to fly a jet. Even if he has to end up paying the company to live in cdg or hkg.
 
Nothin frenchie? I expected more from someone who just sold out his fellow pilots, sucked up to mgmt, and basically didn't have the balz to say this loa is crap.
 
Frenchie said:
Dunce130 - Life is about choice.... FDX will fill HGK and CDG without hiring a newbie. If your don't want to go, don't bid it. The company was going to proceed with these FDAs with or without the LOA. You don't remember the postal contract. Grow up, take an economics class, face reality..... You can do it... Baby Steps.
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So they said. But without the LOA they could not inverse anyone into them. They would have had to run them as a SIBA which would have been to our advantage; now they can just slam the junior guys for the first 18 (or 20?) months that the FDA's are open. The only leverage we have now is that no one bid them....and we know that's not going to happen with 68% of the group being "yes" men.
 
That or frenchie is mgmt pretending to have some care or knowledge about being a pilot.
 
Frenchie said:
Oh great and powerful "Magnuts," How could I compare to your "service"??? I thought we were discussing business and common sence. Sorry, it appears you may have shortcomings in these areas. See in Paris.
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Easy to pick out the d- bag flunkie wannabe mgmt trolls, ain't it.
 
grinder said:
Diamond, even though his other posts made sense, do you really want opinions on Prop Drivers from an ascot-wearing F-22 dude that had to give himself the name "Magnum!!"?
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Instead of jumping to conclusions and making a broad generalization about a group of military members (heavys, helos, props, trainers, grunts, marines, sailors, airmen, etc.) I'd thought I would give Magnum a chance to explain/defend himself.

Frenchie, according to his first post on FI, was a SWA poolie back in the day...so a little curious about his complete lack of tact regarding the LOA, knowing it to be very sensitive to a vast majority of the junior part of the seniority list. Is he a SWA or FedEx bubba?
 
The only leverage we have now is that no one bid them....
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I predict there will be no trouble filling the positions. I think they'll go more senior, but if not they'll be some fairly junior captains making $200k plus.
 

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