Lockheed Martin!!!! Way to go!!! Not!!

[NW_Pilot]

I bet the CEO's are raking in the pay check's while degrading our service etc. on hold for 5 min "Not Bad Usually 20 min" they answer give me my preflight brief every thing is ok no TFR's no major notams except for BFI for airport ground work!!! I launch call Unicom at an airport about 10 min away to pick up a friend. I get a response Ummm aircraft inbound airport is closed as per notam during the air show hold for 10 to 15 and we can let you in between performances!!!! While holding a few other pilots inbound same issue. Thank you Lockheed Martin for not mentioning that notam.

I will add this to my list like not Filing IFR flight plans etc.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

I will add this to my list like not Filing IFR flight plans etc.

You're kidding, right???

 

[gear goes down]

I hate them!! They have lost so many of my VFR and IFR flight plans I lost count. I love it when I try to activate a plan and they dont have it. Or, wait!! My best one is where I gave them my VFR flight plan, activated it, then CLOSED it at my destination, then THEY start search and rescue!! What a bunch of idiots!

 

[propsarebest]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

 

[svcta]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

Assuming that you're without a handy internet connection, how would you propose one would get them if not by FLIGHT SERVICE?

Lockheed sucks.

 

[Thedude]

I you ask for the NOTAMS and aren't given the correct ones....what is one supposed to do

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

^^^^
retarded

CE

 

[A Squared]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

Ummm, right. and how does that PIC check for NOTAMS ?????? (Assuming no duats access and no dispatcher to do it for him)

Ummmmm, ya suppose he call flight service? Ummm because if you don't have DUATS or some other computer acess to the notams, FAA is the plac you are supposred to go and is officially the source of NOTAMS for pilots.....Ummmm, ya think?

 

[NW_Pilot]

Ummm, right. and how does that PIC check for NOTAMS ?????? (Assuming no duats access and no dispatcher to do it for him)

Ummmmm, ya suppose he call flight service? Ummm because if you don't have DUATS or some other computer acess to the notams, FAA is the plac you are supposred to go and is officially the source of NOTAMS for pilots.....Ummmm, ya think?

It was better when the FAA had control, last time I was in Muskegon, MI I hung up after burning 150 cell phone min's and obtained the towers number to file IFR they had many complaints that weekend. Two day's before I called for my clearance from independence ks at the H/S line and no IFR flight plan on file had to refile right there at the end of the runway with a new mustang burning lots of fuel behind me!

Try to find a briefer that can brief the North Atlantic, Pacific Routes, or Mexico....When in Bangor you get some idiot in AZ, FAA when I am in the NW or NE I don't need a briefer that is in FL, TX or AZ.

I am Glad it was not a TFR or any thing serious like flying a plane with out comms that could have ended up bad and ruining the air show. Seeing aerobatic planes with their smoke on is not unusual for the airport I was stopping at either. There is a lot of practice and training there it's cow country and a practice area.

Lockheed Martin has no place in the Civilian Sector they need to go back to war mongering!!!

End Rant!

 

[NW_Pilot]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

Whatever,

We call 1800 WX-Brief for notams tfr's and weather, Now staffed by a bunch of idiots/moron's that are incompetent.

I really like, There no such airway R464 or Intersection BART, BLUFF, & BAKON Etc and airway's start with V not R sir! as for the weather data and charts our system don't have them, I figured they would be training their briefers a little better. You want to file a What flight plan? ICAO! Hold on need to transfer you to a different briefer sorry you need a briefer that can handle international flight's! Your taking a 172 to whare? Endurance on this 172? 17 hours! Your joking, NO! OK, Any remarks or comments? Yea, I would like to add over gross condition, Fuel on board 181 Gallons, (Required on Ferry Permit to be on Flight Plan), Climb 100fpm or less, No Changes, NO DP's, request Immediate Release No Holds, Cruise climb till XXX intersection or altitude. Let me ask someone how to put that in, Call for your clearance you get depart via the XXX departure!

Just 1 year ago it was not bad! Sad our goverment allows such incompetent's fron a contractor!

Ahhhhh!!!!! Now if at a towered airport file with the tower no mistakes! For weather I pay for a Jeppesen subscription. If no Internet available stuck with WX-Brief!!!

 

[kf4amu]

I you ask for the NOTAMS and aren't given the correct ones....what is one supposed to do

I had the same thing happen twice with briefers, even FAA ones over the last few years. I started a general thread on it, and a kind poster said I should have looked at other (unapproved) websites for NOTAM information.

I still think the briefer is kind of "the last line of defense" on a complete flight briefing.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

ummmm....go back to flying your desk you ground pounder. Clearly you have no idea what the job of FSS is which considering your position scares me. I'm glad your not dispatcing any of my flights...i'd rather "dispatch" myself than rely on your expertise. Scary.

 

[Princedietrich]

You know things have got to be bad with the FSS system when Phil Boyer publishes a page and a half article stating that it was a mistake to endorse this whole Lockheed/FSS thing in the first place.

 

[propsarebest]

You guys have missed my point entirely. It's simple- don't rely on one sole source of information- especially when planning a flight. It's just going to get you in trouble. Yes, there are other ways to look up notams, especially on the internet.

And yes, I do know what happens at an FSS, I used to manage an airport that had an FSS ON SITE. I used to have meetings with their people weekly and took the tour a million times.


Did you have a contingency plan?? What if something happened on the field and it was truly closed??
huh?? Or are you one of those guys that lands on a highway because you "ran out of fuel"?

 

[gear goes down]

Right from the FAA website for NOTAMs:

This QICP site is informational in nature. Current NOTAMs are available from Flight Service Stations at 1-800-WX-BRIEF (1-800-992-7433). Notices, restrictions, and advisories may change at any time and without notice. Do not attempt any operation in the National Airspace System without first obtaining and understanding a thorough pre-flight briefing.

Right from the FAA website for TFR's:

Depicted TFR data may not be a complete listing. Pilots should not use the information on this website for flight planning purposes. For the latest information, call your local Flight Service Station at 1-800-WX-BRIEF.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

You guys have missed my point entirely. It's simple- don't rely on one sole source of information- especially when planning a flight. It's just going to get you in trouble. Yes, there are other ways to look up notams, especially on the internet.

And yes, I do know what happens at an FSS, I used to manage an airport that had an FSS ON SITE. I used to have meetings with their people weekly and took the tour a million times.


Did you have a contingency plan?? What if something happened on the field and it was truly closed??
huh?? Or are you one of those guys that lands on a highway because you "ran out of fuel"?

Once again, typical ground pounder. Do you really think we have time to consult "multiple" sources for the same information? So much for ever leaving on time...or better yet, how about a two hour show, just so we can check notams in triplicate! (oh, but wait that would extend duty times)

For the record I am a CM of AAAE and x-airport manager and speaking from experience 90% of airports managers that think they understand the pilot's perspective really have no clue or worse, don't care. Let me know if you need recent examples, I have plenty.

 

[NW_Pilot]

huh?? Or are you one of those guys that lands on a highway because you "ran out of fuel"?

Nope, Just to stop and get a drink at a local PUB and visit with some friends for a few days! Them AG pilots can really party.

See Photo

Planning to go land on the beach this weekend and do some fishing. Airport

 

[svcta]

You guys have missed my point entirely. It's simple- don't rely on one sole source of information- especially when planning a flight. It's just going to get you in trouble. Yes, there are other ways to look up notams, especially on the internet.

And yes, I do know what happens at an FSS, I used to manage an airport that had an FSS ON SITE. I used to have meetings with their people weekly and took the tour a million times.


Did you have a contingency plan?? What if something happened on the field and it was truly closed??
huh?? Or are you one of those guys that lands on a highway because you "ran out of fuel"?

You'd best retract the fangs because you're just wrong. Many, many times I've stopped at airports either planned or unplanned and there was only a phone to be found. A pay phone outside a dark building sometimes is all you've got. Flight service is sometimes the ONLY source of weather or anything else.

We don't always have multiple resources at our disposal; THAT'S THE POINT.

 

[kf4amu]

I love these "holier than thou" people who apparently always think of every outcome for every situation and never have a problem.

My 2 instances were a minor inconvenience because I had to divert to another airport. Both times I was given either 0 or incorrect information by the briefer as to the status of the airport I was flying to. No big deal in the end, but what if it was something more important where I was left with much fewer options?

Flight following is a huge help to cover inept briefer's misinformation. I always use it when possible.

 

[troy]

ummm... it is the responsibility of the PIC to check for ALL notams. NOT the briefer.

WTF?????? Are you on Earth, or just a true dumbass?