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daviator28621

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Anyone else going to Aug 13th training for piedmont.

I have been studying the info for ground school and would like to get up with anyone else doing the studying for ground school to compare notes.

PM Me and we will talk.
 
I'll have at least the first test done today. Done half of it so far, going to the tutor lab this evening to knock out a bunch of studying.
 
Will you kids PLEASE stop taking the $5000 bait to come be abused by this rathole company.....
 
I would highly recommend going somewhere that will get you PIC time the fastest....it sure isn't Piedmont. Don't fall for the $5k bait.
 
GOULET! said:
I would highly recommend going somewhere that will get you PIC time the fastest....it sure isn't Piedmont. Don't fall for the $5k bait.
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Like? With my hours Piedmont was the best option. If I get my CFI and flight instruct to meet other airlines mins, while a very good experience (one I will eventually do anyway) doesnt get me PIC time quicker. The time I spend flight instructing could be spent right seat at Piedmont.
 
GOULET! said:
I would highly recommend going somewhere that will get you PIC time the fastest....it sure isn't Piedmont. Don't fall for the $5k bait.
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Oh yeah, that's a GREAT idea. He has 250 hours!!! Hello it will be years before he can even think about an ungrade. You guys bitCCh about how F/Os are getting on with no experience and little time, yet you tell him to take the quickest upgrade he can with 250 hours. You say "how can someone be a competent PIC with only 2000 hours". What is wrong with you? Make up your frign mind!

kf4amu, please don't make any career dicisions from this site. Most posters (not all), just come here in protest, and never have anything good to say. Please, try to find one thread that has ANYTHING positive in it. You can't. Do what you need to do, and make as much money as you can while doing it.

MU2 OUT!!!
 
mu2 said:
kf4amu, please don't make any career dicisions from this site. Most posters (not all), just come here in protest, and never have anything good to say. Please, try to find one thread that has ANYTHING positive in it. You can't. Do what you need to do, and make as much money as you can while doing it.

MU2 OUT!!!
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HAA thanks for being a voice of reason. Don't worry, I can think for myself. I just dont understand why people are pilots if they hate it so much. Or why are pilots if they "can't live" on the pay...as if you don't know how much you're going to get paid before you accept the job.

Its capitalism...supply and demand. I think given my situation, I got one of the best options available.
 
Let's see 3 years as CFI, still have to be an F/O for at least a year before you could upgrade to captain.

OR

3 years as F/O and upgrade to captain with 3000 hours Lot's of experience, seniority, benefits etc...

HMMM it would take 4 years if you go CFI route and 3 years if you go F/O route.

No brainer.

I'm sorry the industry is making it easier for the new guys right now and some of you have had to do things differently.

Bottom line we are all pilots and how you got there is not as relevant as what you will do once you get there.

Support the company you work for and make it a better place than it was the day before.

If you feel you can't support the company you work for MOVE ON and love the next place.

If you hate the next place and the next place.....look at the common denominator. The problem may be YOU, not the company you work for.
 
I think MU2 is right, we have to accept that times have changed and no-one has to instruct for 3+ years to get the time they need to get an airline gig. I say come on over and if you can make it through training and your not some d!ck weed with a bad attitude then I have no problem with you being here.
 
daviator28621 said:
Let's see 3 years as CFI, still have to be an F/O for at least a year before you could upgrade to captain.

OR

3 years as F/O and upgrade to captain with 3000 hours Lot's of experience, seniority, benefits etc...

HMMM it would take 4 years if you go CFI route and 3 years if you go F/O route.

No brainer.

I'm sorry the industry is making it easier for the new guys right now and some of you have had to do things differently.

Bottom line we are all pilots and how you got there is not as relevant as what you will do once you get there.

Support the company you work for and make it a better place than it was the day before.

If you feel you can't support the company you work for MOVE ON and love the next place.

If you hate the next place and the next place.....look at the common denominator. The problem may be YOU, not the company you work for.
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Son, you've got a hell of a lot to learn about the airline world.

There's 80 or so of us lowly FO's who've been slaving at this company for three or more years and have supported it through 14 hour days, junior mans, reserve, 8 and 9 hour overnights, incorrect paychecks, disrespectful flight support staff, etc. The company has shown it's support by closing bases, no upgrades, and now paying new guys this bonus while our efforts go unnoticed and unappreciated.

I know, I know... If I don't like it... quit... That seems to be the mantra of all you new guys and old timer KoolAid drinkers.

Rather than quit, I decided I'd spend my extra time trying to make this a better place to work. On top of that, if pilots in my seniority range quit in droves as the more junior crowd has, you'll be in even deeper ******************** as captains find other jobs, and few if any FO's have the required time to upgrade.

Yes my friends, that is the next saga of the PDT soap opera.
 
kf4amu said:
He's never been a liar.
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It's that kind of arrogant horse-crap attitude that makes people want to separate your teeth from their gums.

There is NO WAY a three year FO is eligible for upgrade.

I should know; I'll be on 4th year pay in a few days. I'm more than 50 numbers away. Let's see, at 3 upgrades a year (like we've had in 07), that's a just a few decades away for me.



That first sentence was a bit severe, but don't think for a second that your "fact checking" with your buddy is going to result in you being right.

If you have a hard time accepting being wrong, get used to hearing the next phrase every single day:

"My leg."
 
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It's that kind of arrogant horse-crap attitude that makes people want to separate your teeth from their gums.
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He is the least arrogant person on the face of this planet.
Next time I talk to him I'll get more info.
 
Talk to him all you want. He ain't upgrading anytime soon.
 
Maybe he's been there longer than 3 years. Any which way there is a misunderstanding, so just know if you're going to PDT, don't think that 3 year guys can upgrade right now. Something has to change at PDT, but my crystal ball just looks cloudy as usual. Maybe it'll be 2 year upgrades like 8 years ago soon, it'll suddenly be the place to be with all kinds of FI posts asking about the upgrade time.
 
Son, you've got a hell of a lot to learn about the airline world.

Son-- I'm 43 and haven't been called son in a while Thanks
You are right though I DO have a lot to learn about the airline world, I plan on learning everything I can from you guys who have been there a while.

There's 80 or so of us lowly FO's who've been slaving at this company for three or more years and have supported it through 14 hour days, junior mans, reserve, 8 and 9 hour overnights, incorrect paychecks, disrespectful flight support staff, etc. The company has shown it's support by closing bases, no upgrades, and now paying new guys this bonus while our efforts go unnoticed and unappreciated.

I am truly sorry the company is treating you this way, I think it is unfair to the loyal ones who have stayed and done their job and done it well. You guys deserve a bonus for staying. It only seems fair.

I know, I know... If I don't like it... quit... That seems to be the mantra of all you new guys and old timer KoolAid drinkers.

If you truly hate it and it is affecting your personal life so negatively you have no choice but to move on for your own sanity. If you think it will get better and you can deal with the ups and downs stay on.

Rather than quit, I decided I'd spend my extra time trying to make this a better place to work. On top of that, if pilots in my seniority range quit in droves as the more junior crowd has, you'll be in even deeper ******************** as captains find other jobs, and few if any FO's have the required time to upgrade.

Thank you for trying to make it a better place to work. I look forward to getting good advice from you and other seasoned veterans.

I would think with the attrition rate that you guys who have been there for 3 years + should have the time to upgrade.

Yes my friends, that is the next saga of the PDT soap opera.[/quote]
 
I've calmed down a little bit- I've been sifting through a lot of e-mails regarding scheduling's predatory practices lately and it took my nose out of joint.

Dav- the attrition rate is the bottom of the list. That's all. 1/3 of the FOs on property were hired this year, and I'm certain a vast majority of which only showed up for the 5 grand to move on to a grossly underpaid jet job.

You will learn a tremendous amount of information in the next few months. The best lesson to take on early is this: Ya know jack squat about this profession. My several thousand hours of airtime is nothing compared to a 20 year captain, and I know it. Humility on the flight deck goes farther than competence when you're new; you don't need to do much to prove you have the right attitude and truth be told, all bets are off that you're an asset right out of SOE. I know, because I was there.

So your focus right now should be learning about the machine you'll be moving my wife around in, and getting ready for one hell of a learning process.

Look forward to the excitement of your first takeoff and crash landing (folks will be on board, and it will be less than soft)- and work hard now so you're as ready for them as you can possibly be.

And a little hint: Don't be that guy.
 
Sig said:
I've calmed down a little bit- I've been sifting through a lot of e-mails regarding scheduling's predatory practices lately and it took my nose out of joint.

Dav- the attrition rate is the bottom of the list. That's all. 1/3 of the FOs on property were hired this year, and I'm certain a vast majority of which only showed up for the 5 grand to move on to a grossly underpaid jet job.

You will learn a tremendous amount of information in the next few months. The best lesson to take on early is this: Ya know jack squat about this profession. My several thousand hours of airtime is nothing compared to a 20 year captain, and I know it. Humility on the flight deck goes farther than competence when you're new; you don't need to do much to prove you have the right attitude and truth be told, all bets are off that you're an asset right out of SOE. I know, because I was there.

So your focus right now should be learning about the machine you'll be moving my wife around in, and getting ready for one hell of a learning process.

Look forward to the excitement of your first takeoff and crash landing (folks will be on board, and it will be less than soft)- and work hard now so you're as ready for them as you can possibly be.

And a little hint: Don't be that guy.
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IMHO, you guys were a bit rough on this guy, but this post is right on. No way advice to a new FO could be summed up better than this.

You guys need to bear in mind that a lot of the hostility you encounter here and on the line is born of years of abuse... Steadily increasing in intensity since 9/11.

If you come to Piedmont, you will learn the real meaning of abuse. It is doable, but be ready to be tired... Really, truly, absolutely exhausted. I have been for about 6 months now.
 
You'll have fun your first 4 months on the line. You will have everything down pat to where you can finally look out the window with your spare time. Now you will see that jet. Sitting in the Dash will make any jet look as shiny as a coin.

Eventually you will make the move to the dark side. But keep one thing in mind, Ladies Love Props! LLP

MU2 OUT!
 
mu2 said:
You'll have fun your first 4 months on the line. You will have everything down pat to where you can finally look out the window with your spare time. Now you will see that jet. Sitting in the Dash will make any jet look as shiny as a coin.

Eventually you will make the move to the dark side. But keep one thing in mind, Ladies Love Props! LLP

MU2 OUT!
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I've heard more than a few pilots who fly jets miss the Dash...hopefully I'll enjoy it as much as those guys do/did.
 
Thanks for the advice. I will take all suggestions to heart.

Now I have a question that I can't find the answer to in my pre-groundschool manuals.

How is the fuel heated?
a. By bleed air
b. By hydraulic fluid
c. By hot engine lubricating oil
d. By cabin air
 
Hah...we just finished ground school and there are a few questions in the systems test that can be somewhat ambiguous. Best advice I can give you is meet with your class early in SBY and go over each test together, question by question. Also, bond as a group as soon as you can. It makes things a lot easier and there is no way you can go through AQP all by yourself.

As far as your original question goes, the fuel is heated by hot engine oil. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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