PIEDMONT Training Class Aug 13th

[OPECJet]

Talk to him all you want. He ain't upgrading anytime soon.

 

[Sig]

He is the least arrogant person on the face of this planet.
Next time I talk to him I'll get more info.

Apparently you could learn something from the guy.

 

[lear24]

Maybe he's been there longer than 3 years. Any which way there is a misunderstanding, so just know if you're going to PDT, don't think that 3 year guys can upgrade right now. Something has to change at PDT, but my crystal ball just looks cloudy as usual. Maybe it'll be 2 year upgrades like 8 years ago soon, it'll suddenly be the place to be with all kinds of FI posts asking about the upgrade time.

 

[daviator28621]

Son, you've got a hell of a lot to learn about the airline world.

Son-- I'm 43 and haven't been called son in a while Thanks
You are right though I DO have a lot to learn about the airline world, I plan on learning everything I can from you guys who have been there a while.

There's 80 or so of us lowly FO's who've been slaving at this company for three or more years and have supported it through 14 hour days, junior mans, reserve, 8 and 9 hour overnights, incorrect paychecks, disrespectful flight support staff, etc. The company has shown it's support by closing bases, no upgrades, and now paying new guys this bonus while our efforts go unnoticed and unappreciated.

I am truly sorry the company is treating you this way, I think it is unfair to the loyal ones who have stayed and done their job and done it well. You guys deserve a bonus for staying. It only seems fair.

I know, I know... If I don't like it... quit... That seems to be the mantra of all you new guys and old timer KoolAid drinkers.

If you truly hate it and it is affecting your personal life so negatively you have no choice but to move on for your own sanity. If you think it will get better and you can deal with the ups and downs stay on.

Rather than quit, I decided I'd spend my extra time trying to make this a better place to work. On top of that, if pilots in my seniority range quit in droves as the more junior crowd has, you'll be in even deeper ******************** as captains find other jobs, and few if any FO's have the required time to upgrade.

Thank you for trying to make it a better place to work. I look forward to getting good advice from you and other seasoned veterans.

I would think with the attrition rate that you guys who have been there for 3 years + should have the time to upgrade.

Yes my friends, that is the next saga of the PDT soap opera.[/quote]

 

[Sig]

I've calmed down a little bit- I've been sifting through a lot of e-mails regarding scheduling's predatory practices lately and it took my nose out of joint.

Dav- the attrition rate is the bottom of the list. That's all. 1/3 of the FOs on property were hired this year, and I'm certain a vast majority of which only showed up for the 5 grand to move on to a grossly underpaid jet job.

You will learn a tremendous amount of information in the next few months. The best lesson to take on early is this: Ya know jack squat about this profession. My several thousand hours of airtime is nothing compared to a 20 year captain, and I know it. Humility on the flight deck goes farther than competence when you're new; you don't need to do much to prove you have the right attitude and truth be told, all bets are off that you're an asset right out of SOE. I know, because I was there.

So your focus right now should be learning about the machine you'll be moving my wife around in, and getting ready for one hell of a learning process.

Look forward to the excitement of your first takeoff and crash landing (folks will be on board, and it will be less than soft)- and work hard now so you're as ready for them as you can possibly be.

And a little hint: Don't be that guy.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

I've calmed down a little bit- I've been sifting through a lot of e-mails regarding scheduling's predatory practices lately and it took my nose out of joint.

Dav- the attrition rate is the bottom of the list. That's all. 1/3 of the FOs on property were hired this year, and I'm certain a vast majority of which only showed up for the 5 grand to move on to a grossly underpaid jet job.

You will learn a tremendous amount of information in the next few months. The best lesson to take on early is this: Ya know jack squat about this profession. My several thousand hours of airtime is nothing compared to a 20 year captain, and I know it. Humility on the flight deck goes farther than competence when you're new; you don't need to do much to prove you have the right attitude and truth be told, all bets are off that you're an asset right out of SOE. I know, because I was there.

So your focus right now should be learning about the machine you'll be moving my wife around in, and getting ready for one hell of a learning process.

Look forward to the excitement of your first takeoff and crash landing (folks will be on board, and it will be less than soft)- and work hard now so you're as ready for them as you can possibly be.

And a little hint: Don't be that guy.

IMHO, you guys were a bit rough on this guy, but this post is right on. No way advice to a new FO could be summed up better than this.

You guys need to bear in mind that a lot of the hostility you encounter here and on the line is born of years of abuse... Steadily increasing in intensity since 9/11.

If you come to Piedmont, you will learn the real meaning of abuse. It is doable, but be ready to be tired... Really, truly, absolutely exhausted. I have been for about 6 months now.

 

[mu2]

You'll have fun your first 4 months on the line. You will have everything down pat to where you can finally look out the window with your spare time. Now you will see that jet. Sitting in the Dash will make any jet look as shiny as a coin.

Eventually you will make the move to the dark side. But keep one thing in mind, Ladies Love Props! LLP

MU2 OUT!

 

[kf4amu]

You'll have fun your first 4 months on the line. You will have everything down pat to where you can finally look out the window with your spare time. Now you will see that jet. Sitting in the Dash will make any jet look as shiny as a coin.

Eventually you will make the move to the dark side. But keep one thing in mind, Ladies Love Props! LLP

MU2 OUT!

I've heard more than a few pilots who fly jets miss the Dash...hopefully I'll enjoy it as much as those guys do/did.

 

[daviator28621]

Thanks for the advice. I will take all suggestions to heart.

Now I have a question that I can't find the answer to in my pre-groundschool manuals.

How is the fuel heated?
a. By bleed air
b. By hydraulic fluid
c. By hot engine lubricating oil
d. By cabin air

 

[Flight1339]

Hah...we just finished ground school and there are a few questions in the systems test that can be somewhat ambiguous. Best advice I can give you is meet with your class early in SBY and go over each test together, question by question. Also, bond as a group as soon as you can. It makes things a lot easier and there is no way you can go through AQP all by yourself.

As far as your original question goes, the fuel is heated by hot engine oil. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[daviator28621]

Thanks for the answer, I can't find the answer anywhere.

I am networking with one guy who is going to the class on august 13th, anyone else going let me know I would love to network.

I have 3 other questions we can't seem to find the answers to.

1.) Will the apu shut down automatically when a RBY OHT condition exists?

2.) a FLT COMPT DUCT HOT caution light causes which set of valves to climb to full cool position?
a.) diverter valve (mod 8/0563)
b.) Pack temperature control valves
c.) Trim Valves
d.) none of the above

3.) the AIR COND PACK HOT caution light indicates that excessive temperature is being sensed where?
a.) Flight compartment duct
b.) Cabin Duct
c.) compressor discharge overtemperature sensor
d.) ACM

It's not that I am not looking, I have spent many many hours studying and reading and cross referencing but the answers to these questions are evasive.

Any help is definitely appreciated.

 

[Flight1339]

For #1, I have heard a couple people say yes and a couple say no. We never found out what the right answer was because all you find out after turning in the tests is whether or not you passed. This is a question for line pilots to answer.

#2 is confusing to me because on the 100, the flt compt duct temperature is controlled by trim valves, but on the 300, since there are 2 acm's, there are no trim valves and so only pack valves are used. This is another question to ask each other as a group.

As for #3, the answer is in your switches and lights guide I believe. The ACM discharge temp has exceeded 207 degrees to get this caution light.

As always, if a line pilot wants to correct me, thats fine, but I think I know these systems pretty well.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

As far as Q1, I have never seen this happen on the line or in the sim.

The systems manual (p. 83) says it illumintes the APU caution light, but nothing about auto shutdown. So, I would say it keeps running. Ask in training and let us know what they say.

Apu will auto shut down in the case of fire or overspeed.

 

[OPECJet]

#2 is trim valves.

 

[daviator28621]

for #1 I put that it does not shut down, the only reference I found says it turns on a blower to cool it down.

for # 2 I put trim valves, but still couldn't find a for sure answer

for # 3 I choose ACM because of the reference stating ACM temp exceding 207 degrees in the lights and switches portion, however if you look in the systems manual on page 21 on the diagram it shows a compressor discharge over temp switch. That is also one of the choices for an answer.

 

[kf4amu]

The systems manual (p. 83) says it illumintes the APU caution light, but nothing about auto shutdown. So, I would say it keeps running. Ask in training and let us know what they say.

It says ESU will disconnect, but nothing about an APU shutdown...so I said it keeps running as well.

 

[SmellsLikeAvGas]

Does anyone know what the pass/fail rate is among low time pilots at Piedmont? Just curious as to if lack of experience means some people simply can't handle the jump from FBO training to airline training... Thanks!

 

[lear24]

It says ESU will disconnect, but nothing about an APU shutdown...so I said it keeps running as well.

I think it shuts down. Fire, overspeed, underspeed, low oil press / qty, rby overht, a few other assorted faults if I am not mistaken.

ESU disconnect? From what? If the APU's electrical control gives up, the APU pukes. It can't run without its brain.

 

[jellynuts]

Thanks for the advice. I will take all suggestions to heart.

Now I have a question that I can't find the answer to in my pre-groundschool manuals.

How is the fuel heated?
a. By bleed air
b. By hydraulic fluid
c. By hot engine lubricating oil
d. By cabin air

All of those are incorrect. It's actually heated by hot KY lubricating oil. You might have to blow on it to get it to work though...

 

[mu2]

#2, think of PACK the cabin with people. TRIM the flight comp. with the trim wheel. Pack valves are for the cabin and the trim valves for the Flight comp. The 300s are different. There is 2 ACMs some only pack valves are used.

There I did my good deed for the day! Good luck