NWA Tornado Landing Idiots still employed?

[Catbird]

Are these Moron's still at the controls?

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/08/18-tornado-landing.htm

 

[Golden Falcon]

Catbird...you should not be criticising pilots with information based on a media report..what the "knowledgeable passengers saw out the side window, and what the NWA crew saw on their radar may have been two entirely different scenarios...fortunately nobody was more than frightened..quite sure it will be investigated thoroughly, and if any safety rules were breached it will be appropriately dealt with

 

[Say Again Over]

It looks to me that as soon as they received the wild wind reports they abandoned the approach, why are they morons?

 

[Plunder Hound]

It felt like the pilot gunned the engines and used one of the updrafts to lift the plane, Timmerman said.
Someone made the comment that the breath of the Lord blew under the wing and got us out of there," he said. "I speculate that had we gone down it would have been into the terminal."

Sweet move using the updrafts and the breath of the Lord. Wish I knew how to do that!

 

[27 driver]

It felt like the pilot gunned the engines and used one of the updrafts to lift the plane, Timmerman said.
Someone made the comment that the breath of the Lord blew under the wing and got us out of there," he said. "I speculate that had we gone down it would have been into the terminal."

Sweet move using the updrafts and the breath of the Lord. Wish I knew how to do that!

I have never been able to see the breath of the Lord, but I will pay better attention now. I have to agree that the approach probably should never have been attempted. It seems there is a training video of a MD80 going into I believe Little Rock with a similar situation tha didn't turn out so well.

 

[Occam's Razor]

1. Catbird is a troll. Ignore him.
2. Following the investigation, the crew was returned to flying.

 

[cessnapilot]

Are these Moron's still at the controls?

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/08/18-tornado-landing.htm

They ended up on a low altitude route from MSP to FSD. They were in the clear the whole flight. They could see the airport and a plane departing and one arriving. They called the airport in sight and were handed off to tower. The tower gave them winds and that was the firsrt time they heard anything negative about weather on their route. Their briefing had the worst weather to the west.

When they deconstructed the whole event, I thought "wow, that could have been me." I never throw stones. Learn the facts and learn from the event.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Hang a crew based on an article in the McPaper? Come on, Catbird.

 

[75M]

Even if air traffic controllers clear a plane for landing, the decision to land or go elsewhere lies with the pilots, said David Meyer, air traffic manager in Sioux Falls.

"The final decision for any instruction is the pilot's decision," Meyer said

Never ever forget that. Even when they're giving you sh!t about not accepting one of they're instructions.

BTW, it sounds like the NWA guys did a pretty dag-on good job. And as far as the Little Rock thing goes...at least they didn't come back and try it again.

 

[castle bravo]

1. Catbird is a troll. Ignore him.
2. Following the investigation, the crew was returned to flying.

Occam is spot on. Ignore this worthless fool. He sounds like an uninformed management wannabe.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

"Auntie Em, Uncle Henry, Toto! It's a twister! It's a twister!"

--Johnny Hinshaw, Airplane

 

[CKJET]

Are these Moron's still at the controls?

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/08/18-tornado-landing.htm

Catbird in your 18,000 hours you never had to divert to another airport due to weather? Never had a weather report show you all looks great and get to your destination and find it to be rather exciting? Give me a break.
The media shows every day that they are not capable of reporting on any type of Aviation story.

 

[regionaltard]

Moron's

Moron's what? Moron's got a tiny di¢k? Moron's trailer have a leaky roof? Moron's gonna rely on a newspaper article to form an opinion on what the guys in the cockpit should have done?

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Sounds to me that it was The Breath of the Lord that was trying to kill them in the first place! I'm glad the pilots were able to wrestle the plane away from the Lord and get it to Omaha.

 

[jetwash]

That story was from August 2003 !!!!!!!!!!

Did you just get around to reading the paper now?

 

[Catbird]

But according to an audio recording of communications between the tower and the plane obtained by The Associated Press through the Freedom of Information Act, the pilots were told a storm packing a tornado was fast approaching the airport minutes before the plane got into trouble.
"The weather's moving, you see out there, it's moving towards us from the west, I don't know if you'll beat it in or not," one of the controllers told the pilot around 10:23 p.m.
Less than a minute later the tower radioed the plane to warn of a type of rotating air mass that often produces a tornado.
"Lightning is to the west of us. But I believe the National Weather Service just called us. I don't know what they call it, a quasi mesocyclone, inbound from the southwest," the tower told the plane.
"All right, copy that," the pilot responded.
Harmon said he placed that call about 10:23 p.m. as he and his staff took shelter. The weather service office is at the airport.
"It was close enough that we had to protect ourselves," he said of the "supercell" headed to the airport.
"I told them we had 102 knot (117 mph) incoming winds that were detected at 200 feet off the ground," Harmon said. "I didn't know there was an aircraft on approach."
After Harmon's call to the tower, one of the air traffic controllers told the pilots that if they don't get any response, it means the controllers have left the tower and taken cover themselves.
"That's just a worst case scenario," the controller told the pilot.
"Roger that," she replied.

"2. Following the investigation, the crew was returned to flying."
Good job Occum's- Put the idiots back in the cockpit. 5'6" and bulletproof after meeting the Lord that fine night. Time to get fool's like this out of Scheduled service before a catastrophe.

"BTW, it sounds like the NWA guys did a pretty dag-on good job. And as far as the Little Rock thing goes...at least they didn't come back and try it again."

Dag-on good job?- Lets see ,ignore the fast approaching WX, with reported 102K/200'. Mesocyclone, controllers are abandoning the tower, keep pressing on. Standard procedure these days at NWA? Maybe in Baghdad but to reach the scheduled overnight seems like a stretch. I bet ALPA recommended Mr. and Ms. Tornado chaser for Airman and Airwoman of the year with Occum's presenting the award. Pathetic if it wasn't so true.

Occum's- How's the ALPA National Jihad going? Hitch up your Adult diaper and continue the babbling crusade away from Herndon. If you demonstrate that you can continue ignoring common sense and character you will be a prime candidate for the top floor. Of course selective Amnesia will be required at all times if you desire such a lofty position. You are prime meat to go far in ALPA. Your children will be proud when Daddy reaches the ALPA National Golden Kneepad Inner-circle.

Keep ignoring the facts, par for the course from the Herndon cubicles.

 

[Huck]

Moron's

you reckon he thinks it's a named group, like Mormons?

 

[Oh-ryan]

Catbird,

Karma's a bitch dude.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

And just what airline do you fly for ********************bird????

 

[big_al]

Thankfully the breath of God detector was configured correctly and they made it out

 

[instructordude]

These guys were idiots and should've been grounded

 

[igneousy2]

Harmon said he placed that call about 10:23 p.m. as he and his staff took shelter. The weather service office is at the airport.
"It was close enough that we had to protect ourselves," he said of the "supercell" headed to the airport.
"I told them we had 102 knot (117 mph) incoming winds that were detected at 200 feet off the ground," Harmon said. "I didn't know there was an aircraft on approach."
After Harmon's call to the tower, one of the air traffic controllers told the pilots that if they don't get any response, it means the controllers have left the tower and taken cover themselves.


If you read it carefully - it says that the wx guy told the tower that their were 102knot winds 200 feet AGL - nowhere does it say that this information was ever relayed to the pilots.

WTF is a "quasi-mesocyclone" anyway - I don't think I would have diverted based on that information alone.

All of this happened over a period of a few minutes during a very busy time in the cockpit - hardly a lot of time to ponder the convoluted information coming in.


Later

 

[Occam's Razor]

"2. Following the investigation, the crew was returned to flying."

Good job Occum's- Put the idiots back in the cockpit. 5'6" and bulletproof after meeting the Lord that fine night. Time to get fool's like this out of Scheduled service before a catastrophe.

Naturally! How could pilots who injured hundre....wait a minute! Does the report you read discuss the extensive damage to the aircraft and the injuries to the pax and crew?

It doesn't?

Lemme know when you figure that one out.

Dag-on good job?- Lets see ,ignore the fast approaching WX, with reported 102K/200'. Mesocyclone, controllers are abandoning the tower, keep pressing on.

There were no reports given to the crew.

Does you reading indicate what the FAA did to the crew as a result of this event?

Please post the FAA's actions here.

[Hint: It matches the intellectual relevance of your contributions here: Zero]

Occum's- How's the ALPA National Jihad going? Hitch up your Adult diaper and continue the babbling crusade away from Herndon. If you demonstrate that you can continue ignoring common sense and character you will be a prime candidate for the top floor. Of course selective Amnesia will be required at all times if you desire such a lofty position. You are prime meat to go far in ALPA. Your children will be proud when Daddy reaches the ALPA National Golden Kneepad Inner-circle.

Keep ignoring the facts, par for the course from the Herndon cubicles.

You're batting 1.00 here, bubba! I'm not an ALPA officer, nor do I hold an ALPA position. I ain't a candidate for either.

 

[2 Live]

This was a really interesting thread to read..... 4 YEARS AGO!!!
Catbird you are living in the past man.

 

[dbrownie]

This was a really interesting thread to read..... 4 YEARS AGO!!!
Catbird you are living in the past man.

Now that was funny!

There must be plenty of DC-3 reports to "pour" over.

Hey I heard a Convair ran off the runway oh wait that was last century.

Who is this cat bird anyway?

Why so cranky about us lowly nwa guys?

Must be some mgr getting spanked for his, Oh never mind......

Dave B

 

[dbrownie]

I'm not an ALPA officer, nor do I hold an ALPA position. I ain't a candidate for either.

Occam;

You did however, stay at a Holiday Inn recently.

Dave b

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Occam is spot on. Ignore this worthless fool. He sounds like an uninformed management wannabe.

That is why he is on my ignore list....

 

[737 Pylt]

Moron's what? Moron's got a tiny di¢k? Moron's trailer have a leaky roof? Moron's gonna rely on a newspaper article to form an opinion on what the guys in the cockpit should have done?

You certainly make a lot of references to d1ck! I guess when you enjoy it so much, why not just announce it, eh sport?:blush: :laugh:

737

 

[SEVEN]

Passengers as well as the media are clueless.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Anyone else find Seven's avatar disturbing?

Nu