So who's going to the ASA LEC meeting on Thursday?

[ohplease!]

GETTHERR DONE with a baseball bat was your best offer to help. Awesome.

ever heard of the term levity? everyone there chuckled except you apparently. I'm glad John and Chris are in there rather than you since you seem to not have common sense. Awesome-er dude....go back to sleep.

 

[ASARJMan]

Oh yeah, the company is 100% at fault...

No one said anything about the company being 100% at fault you mgt lackey! But, I say 99%!

 

[ASARJMan]

you do realize there could also be a flip side to all this speculation about what the NMB has in mind, right? Maybe the NMB has told the company to pass another offer and if alpa doesn't take it, or at least make significant movement to wards the company offer, they will park us for long term....

to assume the NMB is "on alpa's side" here is reckless at best.

I agree. There are no quarantees. And I agree on the NMB board not being on not only our side, but no ones side. The NMB only wants this case closed out. And I don't think the MEC/CNC is assuming the NMB is on our side. However, the MEC/CNC has done everything asked of it by the NMB while the company has not. We'll certainly know what the company's intentions are the first day of these two days of negotiations.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'm glad many of the the so-called silent majority showed up and asked some tough questions. I was shocked at the turnout. Usually everyone leaves after lunch is over but most stayed for the meeting this time.

ASSRJMan and Speedtape can say I'm a loser without credibility all they want... but many new faces at the meeting seemed to be asking the questions I've asked here. The level of disatisfaction with the present course was echoed many times. I've never seen that at an LEC meeting either. And the leadership seemed ready to listen.

Next meeting, I hope to see even more. You can count on it until this thing is done.

 

[Medeco]

ever heard of the term levity? everyone there chuckled except you apparently. I'm glad John and Chris are in there rather than you since you seem to not have common sense. Awesome-er dude....go back to sleep.

Ohh, I laughed...

I also saw you had nothing real to offer but complaints. Nothing of substance to offer to them of what they should do different.

They in turn, had very good and logical answers to every question asked.

Medeco

 

[Freebrd]

yeah what he said

 

[Medeco]

I'm glad many of the the so-called silent majority showed up and asked some tough questions.

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You mean the silent MINORITY?

I'm not gonna let two people convince the masses that the silent that you speak of is the majority.

I am glad that the nays showed up and spoke up, so that the CNC/MEC had a chance to respond.

It was obvious, that the guys we have working for ALL of us are just as fed up as the masses.

Medeco

 

[ASARJMan]

ASSRJMan .

It's spelled ASARJMAN. I'm sure that's just a spelling error on your part, correct??

 

[Tarzan]

What concerns me the most is that everything hinges on scope right now. EVERYTHING! The answers I heard will not have good outcomes without good scope for the company.

Once labor costs at ASA become higher than SW and the airplane swap (200's for 700-900's) begins to occur, the only thing that will save our bacon is scope. The problem with scope is that companies seeming continue to find ways around it.

I was interested in the fact that many of the questions came from this board. While some guys will look down their noses at this, at the very least those who are here questioning the process, are involved with the process.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Everything really hinges on the SkyWest pilots organizing. Wish they would.

 

[WWEfan]

ever heard of the term levity? everyone there chuckled except you apparently. I'm glad John and Chris are in there rather than you since you seem to not have common sense. Awesome-er dude....go back to sleep.

Ohplease, I noticed your signature with the UPS slogan. Are you a short-timer at ASA?

 

[Tomct]

Ohplease, I noticed your signature with the UPS slogan. Are you a short-timer at ASA?

He WISHES!!!!

 

[GeekMaster]

What concerns me the most is that everything hinges on scope right now. EVERYTHING! The answers I heard will not have good outcomes without good scope for the company.

Once labor costs at ASA become higher than SW and the airplane swap (200's for 700-900's) begins to occur, the only thing that will save our bacon is scope. The problem with scope is that companies seeming continue to find ways around it.

I was interested in the fact that many of the questions came from this board. While some guys will look down their noses at this, at the very least those who are here questioning the process, are involved with the process.

Since a single list or any other effective scope isn't for sale, you hit the nail on the head with the only effective scope we have left when you said "once our costs are higher". This is why I have advocated the importance of being cost competitive. We don't have to be cheaper, we just have to be close enough to override the costs of moving stuff. Once the retire and award program begins in full, the cost of moving assets drops dramatically but it's still there. It is my honest opinion that if we settled in at or near SKW on the 50 with COLA and current rate with COLA on the 70 and became a lot less militant, we would actually be worth keeping around at full strength and even a viable option for new flying.

On the other hand, If you were a successful business man with a 30+ year history of successful airline management who needs to answer to your stock holders in regards to profits and you had two labor groups; one that works with you, appreciates the rewards you give them and helps you out and another unionized militant group of chest thumpers who are intent on burning the place down unless you pay them 5% more than the happy group; which one are you going to try to utilize most?

 

[SSDD]

Everything really hinges on the SkyWest pilots organizing. Wish they would.

Don't count on it. What ever you need to do, don't plan on Skywest going ALPA. Even with the lastest fiasco where the SAPA/management people went around the SAPA president, there are plenty people who still defend SAPA. Incredible!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Don't count on it. What ever you need to do, don't plan on Skywest going ALPA. Even with the lastest fiasco where the SAPA/management people went around the SAPA president, there are plenty people who still defend SAPA. Incredible!

Yeah, it's really sad to see how many people here choose to keep their heads buried in the sand, even when the latest SAPA fiasco gave them a good view of what really goes on around here...