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Eagle gear up go around in SYR today

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ranger17

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Eagle problem in BOS??

Talked to a pilot today that said they witnessed the eagle event in BOS today. Sounded like he thought that they had touched down with the gear up??, and then went around? Anyone see or know the exacts of this?
 
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If they truly scraped the belly on the runway and *then* went around, I don't think we'll hear the end of this.

I would pay money to see a video of such an event.
 
The way the reports reported on [sic] it was there was a nose gear problem. He may have been trying to bounce it into place. The mains were reported to be fine though.
 
I saw it just as it was getting back into the air. No mains, but the nose gear doors were open. From what I could gather, their first indication that something was wrong was when the belly hit the runway. That is to say that I don't think an emergency was declared prior, because there was no equipment in place. My FO saw the sparks flying, and by the time I looked up it was about 5-10 feet off of the ground and moving very slowly (almost hanging in the air). We took off shortly after that so, I don't know what happened next. 22L down between F and C is where he got airborne.
 
Saw the same thing. Didn't look like any of the gear was down on the 1st attempt and no emergency equipment in the area. Haven't seen any of the news on the tube but have read an article on the web which made it sound like they came in everything was normal until the sparks flew. Gonna be interesting to find out what really happened.
 
Here's the article from the Boston Globe. I can tell you, the wheels were not what caused the sparks on the first attempt siince they were safely tucked in the wheel wells. Don't know the full story so I don't want to speculate but I'm here to tell ya there's more to this story!

An American Eagle flight from Toronto with 40 people on board landed safely today after circling Logan International Airport for an hour.
By John R. Ellement and Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff
Thirty-seven passengers erupted in applause when their plane touched down safely this morning at Logan International Airport after the pilot aborted an earlier landing because sparks sprayed as the aircraft's wheels hit the runway.
The plane circled the airport for an hour, making two passes at the air traffic control tower so its landing gear could be visually inspected.
"We could see their eyes," during one of the flybys, said William Shannon, a Wayland resident on the flight. "We were only 200 feet above the ground."
The air traffic controllers inspecting the plane from the ground liked what they saw. "It was clear from all the people looking -- and that was a lot of people -- that ... all the landing gear were down," said Phil Orlandella, a Massport spokesman.
The plane, Flight 4539, landed safely at 9:30 a.m. "It was very tension provoking to say the least," Shannon said.
Edward C. Freni, Massport's director of aviation, said at a press conference that as the plane first attempted to land at 8:29 a.m., a maintenance worker spotted sparks coming from the rear of the aircraft. The worker, Mark Faithful, relayed what he saw to the air traffic control tower, which ordered the plane to take off again. Passengers inside the plane reported hearing a loud "clunk."
Pieces of the plane were found on the runway after the first landing attempt, Freni said. The Federal Aviation Administration plans to examine the aircraft. The National Transportation Safety Board is also investigating the incident.
While it was tense as the plane circled the airport, passengers said the two pilots and one flight attendant remained clam and professional. There were no hysterics or dramatic outbursts from those on board.
Before attempting a second landing, passengers were told to brace for a hard touchdown. When the plane finally landed, it was smooth and no one was injured.
During the final moments of the flight, Shannon said he thought about of all the airplane crashes he has watched in movies over the years. "It's one of those [experiences] you'd just as soon not be living,” he said.
After landing safely, the plane was greeted on the ground by about 100 emergency personnel.
"Everything we practice and drill on worked perfectly," Freni said.
Posted by the Boston Globe City & Region Desk at 09:51 AM
 
"Extend the anti-spark devices."
 
Edward C. Freni, Massport's director of aviation, said at a press conference that as the plane first attempted to land at 8:29 a.m., a maintenance worker spotted sparks coming from the rear of the aircraft. The worker, Mark Faithful, relayed what he saw to the air traffic control tower, which ordered the plane to take off again.


Good thing they made that order....
 
Wow, there was that much time for a maintenance worker to call the tower to relay what he was seeing while eagle was in the landing flare huh? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Now that is some fast dialing, talking and explaining ! I call BS on this one. Good thing it was not scheduling......."Please hold"
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Good thing they made that order....

 
"Eagle gear up go around in SYR today" is the title of this thread. Apparently it happened in BOS. Either I'm not connecting 2 & 2, or something is jacked up. Help me.
 
Well, He corrected the wording on the first post as you can see, initially he thought it was SYR. Good job to the crew...
 
What a pic, wonder how toasted the aircraft is.
 
nothing will happen if the aircraft is indicating three green, which according reports it was, and if you look close enough you can see the nose gear door open. SO unless you were listening for the gear to come down very closely, this could happen to anyone... lets not forget it is an embraer.
 
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Not an EMB driver but...

Maybe the airplane pulled some shinanigans. The nose gear doors were open which would indicate they tried to put the gear down and some point. Handle down, rush of air, three green, everything is cool right?

EMB drivers: Anyone know a way that the system can fool itself into thinking the gear is down?

I'm not warming up the tar or plucking the feathers just yet.
 
nothing will happen if the aircraft is indicating three green, which according reports it was, and if you look close enough you can see the nose gear door open. SO unless you were listening for the gear to come down very closely, this could happen to anyone... lets not forget it is an embraer.


I would guess the power setting would be a lower than normal with no gear extended.

Very interesting situation.
 
These guys are either heroes or idiots for pulling this off. It'll be interesting to hear more details.
 
I can tell you guys this. The gear lever was dropped, EICAS indicated THREE GREEN and no aural warnings sounded.

Like a previous poster said, the nose gear doors did open, the sound changed and the crew thought all was good. Personally I think I would have noticed the lack of drag or not hearing the exact sound I'm used to but I wasn't there and I have no idea what it sounds like for just the nose doors to open. Anyway, they realized they had a problem about a second before touch down and powered up just as the belly touched the runway.

They did a great job. Why and how the system could malfunction to the point of opening the nose gear doors, not dropping a single tire and yet indicating three green is a mystery and I look forward to finding out soon.

IHF
 

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