frontier or virgin america

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Where would you go to Frontier or Virgin America?

 

[AA717driver]

Faster upgrade at VA. They STILL haven't broken ground with revenue pax on board. What will the pay be in 5 or 10 years?

Frontier's not the strongest balance sheet in the business. You may find yourself at the bottom of the list with a merger/acquisition in progress. Good luck.TC

 

[Steveair]

Not in business in 10 years or Terrible work rules

Frontier is a good company to work for but I have serious doubts about their business plan. Most people that work there are nervous about where there jobs will be in 5 years. Mx Costs, Staffing Costs, and increased competition (SWA and United)(also, the D Concourse is being built / C expanded = more room in DEN for competition), alcoholic CEO, Lynx, E170's being used vs. more efficient CRJ's. It's a great company to work for though... at this point. Denver isn't for everyone though


Virgin America = Terrible work rules, not great pay, but will probably be around for awhile with so much "in the family" backing. When you upgrade, back to 1st year pay. San Frans a great place (expensive though). They're not upgrading people by seniority currently.

Personally, I wouldn't touch either place. Frontier's a better company with a shakey future. If I had no other choice, I'd go there and pray for a Jet Blue Merger.

 

[TAWS]

E170's being used vs. more efficient CRJ's.

Yawn ....... The word from United and Delta is that the E170 is burning LESS fuel than the CR7, but the pax do love the CRJ more ............

Now back to your original thread.

 

[800Dog]

Where would you go to Frontier or Virgin America?

How about refusing to be a whore and go to LUV, FedEx or UPS? Why would you go to VA?

 

[StaySeated]

heck I will bite, why go to either? There is no way in he11 I would go to va or skybus or any other startup airline in this day in age. As for F9, you really can't lose with regard to the pilot group, a seriously great bunch. Unfortunately, they don't run the place and the financials speak for themselves. We have a handful of deliveries left, so any new hire will be on reserve for a while. With the new world order in crew scheduling (new contract and a manager from comair), reserves are part of the staffing equation so plan on flying your arse off and getting to know SLC and OMA intimately. F9's stock price is at a 52 week low and we own a few narrow bodies that are in high demand. I fear that a merger is the least of our worries. Just an honest answer to a less than genuine question.

 

[General Lee]

Yawn ....... The word from United and Delta is that the E170 is burning LESS fuel than the CR7, but the pax do love the CRJ more ............

Now back to your original thread.

That't not what I heard. I heard that supposedly DL removed the E170 flights to and from SLC because they never did get what was advertised with regard to fuel burn. They decided to put them on mostly shorter routes to compete with Airtran instead. Yes, there are still a few long routes (like ATL--to Kingston, Jamaica--with no competition), but overall they now do shorter routes. And, close your mouth when you yawn.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AV80R]

Wounded Warrior Project!!!

StaySeated – totally off the subject but regarding your avatar. Wounded Warrior Project is an awesome organization – for those who are not aware of it – it makes me proud to be an American (albeit a new one and not by birth).

It is our primary charity we give to and it just feels great to help out our heroes. Anyways, sorry for getting off the subject but I think it’s a great organization – that’s all!

 

[Steveair]

Yawn ....... The word from United and Delta is that the E170 is burning LESS fuel than the CR7, but the pax do love the CRJ more ............

Now back to your original thread.

What are you smoking? They have essentially the same engines and the 170 is a lot heavier. It's basic aerodynamics. The 170 is 3-5% more expensive to operate but you're right; they are much more comfortable. I sincerely wish that the flying public would be willing to pay $9.99 more for a ticket to fly on one but you know as well as I that they'll jump ship to save money.

 

[jonjuan]

What are you smoking? They have essentially the same engines and the 170 is a lot heavier. It's basic aerodynamics. The 170 is 3-5% more expensive to operate but you're right; they are much more comfortable. I sincerely wish that the flying public would be willing to pay $9.99 more for a ticket to fly on one but you know as well as I that they'll jump ship to save money.

Ummmmm, he said the pax like the CR7 more....

 

[Pirep1]

Ummmmm, he said the pax like the CR7 more....

You're right, they do. Useless overheads, much smaller seats and cabin. What's not to like more?

 

[Pirep1]

That't not what I heard. I heard that supposedly DL removed the E170 flights to and from SLC because they never did get what was advertised with regard to fuel burn. They decided to put them on mostly shorter routes to compete with Airtran instead. Yes, there are still a few long routes (like ATL--to Kingston, Jamaica--with no competition), but overall they now do shorter routes. And, close your mouth when you yawn.


Bye Bye--General Lee

G.L. You're right. When they first started flying these routes, they weren't flown efficiently. After learning (with more experience with a new a/c) how the plane performs, they are flown much more efficient now. Unfortunately, the precedent was set with the beginning numbers. You're info is based on old data.

 

[BoilerUP]

I believe RAH's 170s flying for Frontier have more than 70 seats in them (72-76?). The extra revenue should more than offset a higher fuel burn.

 

[Whataburger]

Go to Frontier. We will hopefully bury the Virgins since we go to ALL their U.S. destinations. Time to throw a little tea party in the San Francisco Bay. Indian paint anyone?:uzi: :smash: imp: :beer:

 

[737 Pylt]

Go to Frontier. We will hopefully bury the Virgins since we go to ALL their U.S. destinations. Time to throw a little tea party in the San Francisco Bay. Indian paint anyone?:uzi: :smash: imp: :beer:

I hope you're right....They do need to be squashed before they even start....
Problem is, SIR Richard Branson has deeeeeeeep pockets, and can run this pig at a loss just put a hurting even more so on the us carriers.....<sigh>

737

 

[Whataburger]

Ever heard of "Virgin Cola?" Me neither until I saw a list of some of SIR Branson's flops. Hopefully VA will be another.

 

[ultrarunner]

Where would you go to Frontier or Virgin America?

If those were my choices to put food on the table? Neither. I'd do something else.

 

[TAWS]

What was this thread about again???............................

 

[Blucher]

What was this thread about again???............................

It's impossible to figure that out unless, of course, you just scroll up 1 post from yours.

-Blucher:erm:

 

[crashpad]

"Virgin Cola" sounds like a sure hit to me, it just goes to show how things never happen the way you'd like.

I get such a kick from the latch-key, lanyard-donging, so-called avaition professionals who think they have crystal balls.....and no, there aren't any mispellings in my post.

Frontier is not a 'start-up', not a 'flash-in-the-pants', not an airline anywhere close to the brink of collapse. DON'T use stock price as an indicator of squat .... Midwest Express is conning the market at +$15.00/share!

You want the truth? This whole industry is a big crap shoot. You gotta be man enough to bet big if you wanna win big. I heard plenty of sparky hot shots tell me F9 was a "lateral move" from Air Wisconsin about six years ago. Every new hire is told they will be on reserve and never see Captain by the naysayers.....then, miraculously, they get off reserve and make Captain inside of 5 years (try that at Southwest Fedex United...yeah whatever). My point is, if you can't take a gut check once in your career you will always be mediocre at best.
I really see too many young pups who will never figure it out...it's not about the money, fame or 'da ladies'.
It's about flying, at least for most aviators.

I forgot what this thread is about, damnit!!!

 

[Larcifer]

"Virgin Cola" sounds like a sure hit to me, it just goes to show how things never happen the way you'd like.

I get such a kick from the latch-key, lanyard-donging, so-called avaition professionals who think they have crystal balls.....and no, there aren't any mispellings in my post.

Frontier is not a 'start-up', not a 'flash-in-the-pants', not an airline anywhere close to the brink of collapse. DON'T use stock price as an indicator of squat .... Midwest Express is conning the market at +$15.00/share!

You want the truth? This whole industry is a big crap shoot. You gotta be man enough to bet big if you wanna win big. I heard plenty of sparky hot shots tell me F9 was a "lateral move" from Air Wisconsin about six years ago. Every new hire is told they will be on reserve and never see Captain by the naysayers.....then, miraculously, they get off reserve and make Captain inside of 5 years (try that at Southwest Fedex United...yeah whatever). My point is, if you can't take a gut check once in your career you will always be mediocre at best.
I really see too many young pups who will never figure it out...it's not about the money, fame or 'da ladies'.
It's about flying, at least for most aviators.

I forgot what this thread is about, damnit!!!

Know that is funny......oh wait you actually believe what you wrote. I think you've been talking to your bunny "Foo-Foo" way to much. Which by the way is one of the lamest schticks I've ever seen.

No were not a start up, just a mature VA/Skybus that will disappear like the Peoples Expresses before us.

 

[crashpad]

So what are your plans? You're moving up the list quickly. You gonna stay, or jump ship?

 

[ironspud]

Where would you go to Frontier or Virgin America?

Depends upon what you want to be. A "company" whore, or a "union" whore.

 

[ivauir]

That't not what I heard. I heard that supposedly DL removed the E170 flights to and from SLC because they never did get what was advertised with regard to fuel burn. They decided to put them on mostly shorter routes to compete with Airtran instead. Yes, there are still a few long routes (like ATL--to Kingston, Jamaica--with no competition), but overall they now do shorter routes. And, close your mouth when you yawn.

His yawn is better use of O2 than your last breath.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So this plan is going to be better than Song?

 

[www.]

That't not what I heard. I heard that supposedly DL removed the E170 flights to and from SLC because they never did get what was advertised with regard to fuel burn.
Bye Bye--General Lee

DTW - SLC in the winter. Had to make fuel stops sometimes.

 

[johnsonrod]

Where would you go to Frontier or Virgin America?

So, Skybus not living up to your expectations? I guess XOJet or Netjets didn't work either on the X.

I'd go to F9 given that it has a history and it could merge with someone bigger in the long-term. You would have more security there I would believe.

 

[scangadah]

Ever heard of "Virgin Cola?" Me neither until I saw a list of some of SIR Branson's flops. Hopefully VA will be another.

Ever hear of Virgin Atlantic or Virgin Blue ?

 

[On Your Six]

Ever heard of "Virgin Cola?" Me neither until I saw a list of some of SIR Branson's flops. Hopefully VA will be another.

A lot of people thought JetBlue would die in its first year too. VA is pretty well funded and it will offer the best inflight entertainment (including the hot stews) out there. All they need to do now is secure gates and the ability to grow at key airports - that remains to be seen as SWA and JetBlue return to SFO.

I'd go to Frontier if you have the chance because I think they will ultimately be merged with another carrier and you will at least have a job.

Let us know how it goes.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Ever hear of Virgin Atlantic or Virgin Blue ?

Good lord Scangadah! You've got 119 posts and this is the first time I've seen that avatar of yours. Where the heck have I been? Please tell me you have just recently changed it otherwise I need to log on to FI.com more often.

Well, thank you for that fine photo. She could cut glass with those things. Glad to see she is a nice Christain girl too... my mother would approve!

 

[scangadah]

Good lord Scangadah! You've got 119 posts and this is the first time I've seen that avatar of yours. Where the heck have I been? Please tell me you have just recently changed it otherwise I need to log on to FI.com more often.

Well, thank you for that fine photo. She could cut glass with those things. Glad to see she is a nice Christain girl too... my mother would approve!

Amen to that Brother!!!!