Flex's Good, bad, and uglier>.....

[Iam3rd]

Well said CL300....and most Flex pilots would agree with the above statement. I can honestly say that the more that I am on here the more I am understanding why the union guys tend to be so hostle towards non-union companies like Flex. I think its because these guys are so use to working for a company that did nothing but take advantage of their pilots and milking them for all their worth. Then when a company comes along that actually treats their pilots half descent, its too foreign for them to understand because they have become so bitter to all mgmt. regardless of who it is. Not to say that Flex is perfect, but they are actually trying on their own without being forced to do so by a union. And most union guys just can't grasp that concept. Of course one might say that the only reason they are doing it is to keep a union out......well, at least they are choosing to treat us right own their own rather than having to be forced to by a union board.

 

[dime line]

...."as it stands today".......CL300Pilot


There is the statement of the year. Hence the reason for unions

 

[CL300Pilot]

...."as it stands today".......CL300Pilot


There is the statement of the year. Hence the reason for unions

ROFL. Is that similar to reporters only taking one statement out of an entire press conference and using the tag line to their benefit?

 

[dime line]

ROFL. Is that similar to reporters only taking one statement out of an entire press conference and using the tag line to their benefit?

Don't know what ROFL is but, reguarding that statement, is there another meaning (like hidden message)

 

[jonjuan]

Don't know what ROFL is but, reguarding that statement, is there another meaning (like hidden message)

DL, quit acting dumb.

 

[Av8tor]

If there was a union at Flex I bet be would not have a floating rest. Why is Flex the ONLY Frac that still has a floating rest? Because we do not have a UNION> Why do we have to work 16 hours on our last day? Because that is what management wants. Simple they have the upper hand. The problem here is the top 100 pilots at Flex do not want change, they are so happy here with their 6 figure salary, they do not want to be bothered. Well if it was not for a union at netjets, you would not have anything here at Flex.

 

[Iam3rd]

If there was a union at Flex I bet be would not have a floating rest. Why is Flex the ONLY Frac that still has a floating rest? Because we do not have a UNION> Why do we have to work 16 hours on our last day? Because that is what management wants. Simple they have the upper hand. The problem here is the top 100 pilots at Flex do not want change, they are so happy here with their 6 figure salary, they do not want to be bothered. Well if it was not for a union at netjets, you would not have anything here at Flex.

There are over 400 pilots at Flex. Well, what about the other 300 pilots at Flex? It seems that if they wanted a union, they would have the majority.....not the top 100.

 

[walshsfly]

If there was a union at Flex I bet be would not have a floating rest. Why is Flex the ONLY Frac that still has a floating rest? Because we do not have a UNION> Why do we have to work 16 hours on our last day? Because that is what management wants. Simple they have the upper hand. The problem here is the top 100 pilots at Flex do not want change, they are so happy here with their 6 figure salary, they do not want to be bothered. Well if it was not for a union at netjets, you would not have anything here at Flex.

And with a union then we could sit at the FBO without an aircraft or even another pilot for 12 hours a day instead of being able to sit at a hotel during those times. I have never worked 16 hours on my last day unless the airlines screws me over. (like mesa diverting then kicking off all the pax and the aircraft returns to its hub empty, leaving all there pax to fend for themselves.) I am not in the top 100 and I DON'T WANT A UNION. Are you saying that before the union at netjets Flexjet had nothing?

Netjets has a union and Flexjet doesn't. If you want to work for a union you have an option, if you don't want to work for a union you have an option. Why is the trucker union trying to take away my rights to chose between the 2 options?

 

[August Spies]

If there was a union at Flex I bet be would not have a floating rest. Why is Flex the ONLY Frac that still has a floating rest? Because we do not have a UNION> Why do we have to work 16 hours on our last day? Because that is what management wants. Simple they have the upper hand. The problem here is the top 100 pilots at Flex do not want change, they are so happy here with their 6 figure salary, they do not want to be bothered. Well if it was not for a union at netjets, you would not have anything here at Flex.

Flex does not have floating rest.
Where do you get your info?? Very rarely do you ever have a 16 hour last day and if so that would be due to airline delays.

 

[Av8tor]

Flex does have a floating rest buddy. If your trip on day two cancels before you leave the hotel, you my friend are not on duty, that means you have a floating rest. If the company is not going to put you on duty, than say ok re-up your room, than call you at 4:00 pm give you an hour and half to show at the airport than buddy you can work 14 hours. If that is not floating rest, than what is?

 

[Iam3rd]

Flex does have a floating rest buddy. If your trip on day two cancels before you leave the hotel, you my friend are not on duty, that means you have a floating rest. If the company is not going to put you on duty, than say ok re-up your room, than call you at 4:00 pm give you an hour and half to show at the airport than buddy you can work 14 hours. If that is not floating rest, than what is?

Yea, but the example you are using usually takes place first thing in the morning. Then you can just request a late check out and hang out at the hotel. Earliest you would have to leave hotel is 12 and maybe as late as 1500. Worst case you have to go hang out at the FBO for a few hours then head right back the the hotel. Or just hang out in the lobby of the hotel for an hour or 2. Granted, its not ideal, but its a whole lot better than NJ's requirement.

 

[Wiggums]

Then you can just request a late check out and hang out at the hotel. Earliest you would have to leave hotel is 12 and maybe as late as 1500.

First, are you even online yet? If so you can't have worked more then a few tours. So isn't is a little early to be weighing in with your anti-union rhetoric and examples of how Flex runs things? I don't what information you are basing your opinions but why not work a few months, and talk to some NetJet pilots.

Worst case you have to go hang out at the FBO for a few hours then head right back the the hotel. Or just hang out in the lobby of the hotel for an hour or 2. Granted, its not ideal, but its a whole lot better than NJ's requirement.

What is NJ's requirement? Have you read there contract? Did you know that their duty time is fixed when they go off duty? That means that if you you are slated for a noon trip they don't call you at 0415 with changes. In fact, they don't call you in rest period. Things can end up much worse then the your worst case scenario. How about you go to bed early for a 0500 on time and then your trip gets changed to a red-eye? That's a perfectly acceptable change according to FlexJets work rules.

 

[kab1027]

Floating rest at Flex. Yep we have it. About the layoff 5 yrs ago. It was not a layoff, it was a termination. Ask any of the guys that came back and they'll tell you their seniority date changed to the day they came back. 2-3 years with the company, gone! Start over.
Things that make you go hmm....

 

[FraxJockey]

I was one of the guys terminated and lost a whole......5 months ...BFD. Get your facts straight.

 

[bailey3083]

OK so lets put it this way..For the NJA guys we suck you rule for the Flex guys Unions Suck Unions Suck Unions Suck. Regardless where you work there are people who are miserable and people who drink to much Kool Aid. Just be happy we have jobs and not have to suffer like the pilots at the airlines.

Baiiley