Skybus wanabee's, think long and hard!

[AutoBus]

Heard them on the radio for the 1st time yesterday. Controller kept calling them SkyLab.

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Did they also fall out of the sky?

 

[HA25]

OK, Guys, once again-

What we really need is a Guild . . . . . one that says "From this day forward, no Pilot will operate a B___ aircraft for less than $___. per hour.

Your existing union is still your union, but they cannot negotiate any pay rates below the rate set by the national Guild.

This way, the issue of pilot pay is "off the table". It cannot be used as a competitive advantage any longer.


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We've had our share of disagreements in the past, and that's fine.. but this is one place that I agree with you 100%.. I've been plugging this idea for a while now. I even though about setting up a non-for profit to start it up, and get members slowly to join and over time have it turn into a force to reckon with.

It's too bad we don't some very wealthy guy out there interested in this cause to help capitalize it. These "Corporate" ALPA, Teamsters, and independent unions aren't cutting it..

 

[HA25]

You forget the thousands of stock options a year they get. If the options are structured well and the company takes off (no pun intended)then those pilot may just be millionaires in the future.

Just like the JB pilots that got their options?

Sure, I agree sweetening it with stock options helps, but what about the subsequent pilots hired after this goes away.. it's not like a) they're going to do that for ever, and b) the stock will IPO for every new hire.

In the end, this company, like Ryan Air is trying to define "Airline Pilot" down.. first it was the LCC's and now some of them are starting to mature into real airlines, and now we're getting the likes of Virgin and Skybus! What's next? Really.. Bring in pilots from Malaysia and have them crew a 777 for a month then fly home for a week off for $1500/mo?

 

[jumppilot]

Bring in pilots from Malaysia and have them crew a 777 for a month then fly home for a week off for $1500/mo?

That won't be too far off! Except it will be in the form of open skies and cabotage!

It's a real threat you speak of.

 

[Max Powers]

Well then I recommend we all vote Democrat so we don't have more judges, mediators, and civil servants nominated by the likes of incoming Republican George Bush union bashing wannabes.

W has almost effectively stymied any power the unions have.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

OK, Guys, once again-

What we really need is a Guild . . . . . one that says "From this day forward, no Pilot will operate a B___ aircraft for less than $___. per hour.

Your existing union is still your union, but they cannot negotiate any pay rates below the rate set by the national Guild.

This way, the issue of pilot pay is "off the table". It cannot be used as a competitive advantage any longer.


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A guild? Dude, you gotta stop playing the Dungeons & Dragons!

 

[1st Overnite]

You forget the thousands of stock options a year they get. If the options are structured well and the company takes off (no pun intended)then those pilot may just be millionaires in the future.

Stock options are the carrot for many new airlines. Very few, SWA is actually the only one I can think of, actually make you a wealthy person.

I worked for a start-up commuter who offered stock options. I am willing to part with them now and sell them to the highest bidder. The bid starts at $.25 for all 200 options.

 

[T-Bags]

We've had our share of disagreements in the past, and that's fine.. but this is one place that I agree with you 100%.. I've been plugging this idea for a while now. I even though about setting up a non-for profit to start it up, and get members slowly to join and over time have it turn into a force to reckon with.

It's too bad we don't some very wealthy guy out there interested in this cause to help capitalize it. These "Corporate" ALPA, Teamsters, and independent unions aren't cutting it..

DITTO!!

BC, pull your cranium out of your arse and look the term up. A "guild" may have prevented you from being such a stand up guy at Blu

 

[buckeyes95]

W has stymied everything that a president can, except his oil income.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Well then I recommend we all vote Democrat so we don't have more judges, mediators, and civil servants nominated by the likes of incoming Republican George Bush union bashing wannabes.

W has almost effectively stymied any power the unions have.

Give me a break, I don't think politics has anything to do with the fact that ALPA couldn't and wouldn't do their job-- protecting their union members from paycuts, furloughs, pension dissolution and capitulating to every whim. If a work group had some cahunas and stood up against their respective airlines from doing what they did, maybe y'all wouldn't be in this mess...