Impending 'pilot shortage' rumor is false

[HA25]

...for the market they are in.

Operative phrase.. I've since learned about this form of real estate "Comparable" and what it spells out in terms of QOL and pay.

 

[pilotyip]

V70 it is all what you make of it, our turnover is very low, average pilot has been here 6 yrs, average DC-9 Capt 10 yr+, some have even tuned down NJ because they feel the QOL at USA Jet is better if you want to live in the YIP area. More time at home with the family.

 

[HA25]

V70 it is all what you make of it, our turnover is very low, average pilot has been here 6 yrs, average DC-9 Capt 10 yr+, some have even tuned down NJ because they feel the QOL at USA Jet is better if you want to live in the YIP area. More time at home with the family.

lack of turnover isn't a sign of happiness or being content. For all I know that might say more about your pilots than your QOL. I'm not going to go down that road much further... Good pilots are out there without college degrees, and with violations and DUI's.. they're just unlucky enough to have been caught.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Ever since 1984 when I entered flying there has been a "pilot shortage". This advertisement helps keep the schools in business. If there truly had been a pilot shortage salaries would have to be raised all across the board, especially at the commuter/regional level. One would not have to start at 12-18k/yr regardless of previous experience.

age 65 will make a surplus of 30,000 highly experienced pilots who want nothing more than to work their 1 to 5 years getting paid with a complete disregard for the future.

some pilot shortage!!!!!!

 

[HA25]

Age 65 is ill timed now with the 10,000+ pilots on furlough or under employed... the time for that is when a REAL shortage develops (if that ever is possible).

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Age 65 is ill timed now with the 10,000+ pilots on furlough or under employed... the time for that is when a REAL shortage develops (if that ever is possible).

I agree. Age 65s timing is dreadful and must be stopped.

 

[pilotyip]

VT70 75% of our pilots have their college degrees, there maybe one or two with a spot on their record that prevents them from moving. But more likely it is our average pilot is 47.5 yrs old and is making close to 100K, unless hired by one of the top five, they will never catch up with USA Jet income before they have to retire. Plus you cannot sell a house in Michigan right now. There are many more factors than the Terry and Pirates image you seem to portray. But then again our pilots may not be as skilled at interviewing or as good looking as those who avoid working in this level of the business. I know you are not cut out for this type of work and that is fine, but it is not your place to judge anyone by his or her career choice.

 

[HA25]

wasn't trying to judge, but I was trying to give perspective to your comments. Any job that has you strapped to a pager on a recall like USA Jet for the money they pay is nothing more than a pilot abuser. If you've got guys making $100K like you say, I'm sure they're working the butts off to get it.. Even in the "bottom feed" ACMI world I'm in now, a 9-10 year guy makes a good bit more than $100K (more like $120-$130) and gets an average of 15 days or more off a month with no pagers, no calls from scheduling to come in on days off, and long rest periods on the road at nice hotels. If you're not going to pay good wages, then you have to at least provide great QOL... USA provides neither, and everyone I've talked to agrees.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Over 1/2 the USAJet pilots fly the DC-9s PAX. If on reserve they have a 2 hr. callout. If not, during the NCAA season a 6-month schedule of 6/4, 6/3 type schedules with 12-13 days off a month.

cliff
GRB

 

[HA25]

Hi!

Over 1/2 the USAJet pilots fly the DC-9s PAX. If on reserve they have a 2 hr. callout. If not, during the NCAA season a 6-month schedule of 6/4, 6/3 type schedules with 12-13 days off a month.

cliff
GRB

Thanks cliff, but my current job with an average ACMI which I recently took after a 3 year break from flying pays more money (about 50%), has a 12 hour call out on reserve while on the road, and a 3 hour call at home, an average of 15 days off a month, home basing where ever you want to live, including Hawaii and Alaska with business class travel to many of our pairings, and an average of 1 month a year vacation for new hires; more for senior pilots.. and that's with a BK contract.

 

[HA25]

forgot the best part...

we don't have to fly overly antiquated DC-9's around with 10-15 MEL's hanging of the logbook..

Again, we're hardly a top end job.. just making the contrast to what you call a "good job"

 

[pilotyip]

Again VT70 you show how little you know of our operation. In an operational fleet of 16 airplanes right now there is a total of three DMIs spread amongst those airplanes, this is typical of our operation. If fact in my ten year here I do not recall flying any airplane with more than one DMI. It is not you that is fine. I know you are much further up the cool index than the bottom feeders who make a living at YIP. It is kind of you to share your wisdom with us. I didn’t mention the rave reviews we got from Ford Motor and GM executive charter, including the highest score ever given a charter operator inspected by Ford Motor Company, cause you probably wouldn’t understand. Again you know nothing about this operation. Thanks for the opportunity to make a plug.

 

[HA25]

Again VT70 you show how little you know of our operation. In an operational fleet of 16 airplanes right now there is a total of three DMIs spread amongst those airplanes, this is typical of our operation. If fact in my ten year here I do not recall flying any airplane with more than one DMI.

A former pilot of yours that I know well (and who will not be named) told me otherwise.. so let's just agree to disagree..

In the end, the fact that you're having to change your hiring guide lines and new hire pay tells it all..

 

[pilotyip]

Correct me if I Wrong

VT Thanks for coming back to the thread; I can always count on you to get a plug in for our airline. People are going to start thinking you are my straight man. It started about pilot shortage before we had to hear about how bad I am and how good you are. So now we go back to the shortage. In the end we have to change, it is because everyone else one on the entry level is making changes. The redefinition of competitive minimums just allows more opportunities to identify pilots who can meet our standards. This allows selectivity and we still get to make a cull to ensure quality. For instance our class starting on 5-15, 4 pilots Ave. 2200, ME 1500, 2 135 back ground. 1 121, former 135 check airman. We are not really changing our pay only going back to pay as it was in 2001, before 9-11. Again you have no idea of who we are. BTW There is a good chance the guy you "know well" (not in a biblical sense I'm sure) did not work here recently. I have never seen multi DMI's. Prehaps I am wrong, would any of the USA Jet pilots care to chime in with thier experiences with DMI's at USA Jet?

 

[737 Pylt]

USA Jet pilots care to chime in with thier experiences with DMI's at USA Jet?

USA Jet??????
OMG, I'm gonna be sick!uke:

737

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

737Pylt:
I like USA Jet. I like it better than TSA, and better than the USAF (When I was active duty, pilots didn't get to fly hardly at all, and we couldn't keep flying-we were forced into a staff job-it's changed now, and the USAF pays TONS more than they used to.).

I would prefer Delta, which is why I'm trying to get into Delta now, along with some other great organizations. As you know, Delta's not perfect. They used to boast they had never furloughed any pilots, ever.

Life doesn't always go how you plan.

cliff
GRB

PS-I have flown with 2 DMIs for sure-3? I can't remember specifically flying with 3-maybe...and that's on the Falcons, which are harder to keep running in top form thant the DC-9s.

 

[pilotyip]

Thank you 737, for your recognition of how far you are up the "cool" scale from a bottom feeder only shows how little you know what goes on at our level. May you never have to eat in the same restaurant as a bottom feeder, or heavens for bid stay in the same hotel? I mean after all you are a DAL pilot.

 

[737 Pylt]

Thank you 737, for your recognition of how far you are up the "cool" scale from a bottom feeder only shows how little you know what goes on at our level. May you never have to eat in the same restaurant as a bottom feeder, or heavens for bid stay in the same hotel? I mean after all you are a DAL pilot.

Hey pilotyip:
I know 3 guys that went to usajet because they couldn't go anywhere else. 2 of them were EAL scabs! It just proves to me the kind of outfit you work for!

737

 

[§kyye Candy]

interview policy

No, they're having to do that because they interview EVERYBODY who meets their mins (a great policy by the way) and then end up only hiring about 15% of those they interview.

really... so 5,000+ TT, 3,500 121 turbine & LCA status doesn't meet their mins. these days? Because I know at least one applicant with those quals who hasn't heard a peep from them regarding an interview.

 

[pilotyip]

737, but DAL stills hires guys who worked with and were trained by those ex EAL guys, I guess it dosen't rub off. BTW our former CP was the ALPA DCA MEC for EAL, run the strike at DCA, he had no problem with those employees. But then again you are DAL guy who doesn't have to deal with the reality of the rest of the world, go be happy.