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Upated today for those interested.

<LI class=listDoubleSpace>Flight Experience:
2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours TURBINE total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,000 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in command3, as defined below is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, helicopter, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO etc. NO other time is counted.3 <LI class=listDoubleSpace>_____________________This is a change from 1300 hrs. Good luck to all.
 
This is what I see when I go to the website at 0003Z 19 April 2007:

<LI class=listDoubleSpace>Flight Experience:
2,500 hours total or 1,500 hours TURBINE total. Additionally, a minimum of 1,300 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in command3, as defined below is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, helicopter, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO etc. NO other time is counted.3
 
As a former WSO/EWO, I have to wonder why they lumped helicopter time in with us 'rated non-pilot' types.
 
This is actually one of the first moves of the new head of pilot hiring. He has changed the mins to help his buds from his unit, those that are not on the interview team! If you know the secret handshake (SAT-AF) you are golden. This guy is really going to hurt SWA! I have met him, he is the typical AF clueless a$$ kisser.
 
"This is actually one of the first moves of the new head of pilot hiring. He has changed the mins to help his buds from his unit, those that are not on the interview team! If you know the secret handshake (SAT-AF) you are golden. This guy is really going to hurt SWA! I have met him, he is the typical AF clueless a$$ kisser."

Fly-diver said:
Except that he is a former Marine. Maybe you are confused because Chuck did have an AF exchange assignment flying the F-15C, during which he deployed in support of Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm and shot down an Iraqi MiG-29.

So who is clueless again? Have a nice day.
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One of you is talking about the VP of Flt Ops and one is talking about the head of Pilot hiring. Don't know if they are the same cat but my guess is similar backgrounds. Either way the move looks like it was meant to help out those having trouble getting that extra 300 hrs of PIC time. Apparently they are still having trouble getting enough qualified applicants that fit the mold.
 
From LL in January, she had 7,000 qualified applicants, 2,000 of which had the type, for about 700 or so pilot slots for the year.

With an 85% failure rate, that's just barely enough pilots to fill the slots IF you interviewed ALL of them. Not surprised the mins went down slightly - that's only a 5% buffer.

Maybe the new guy will straighten out the hiring practices a bit. Failing 85% of the guys who are coming from successful PIC positions at other 121 carriers is a bit ludicrous.

Then again, the military failure ratio on the interview is only about 30% from what I hear (I keep hearing buddies who went to interview and of the 10 or so hired out of 20+, 7 or 8 are always military - or maybe that's just the luck of the draw on those days). Sounds like things may not change all that much.

p.s. Yeah, I interviewed and didn't get it a couple years back. But I'm happy over here at AAI (I work a lot less than my SWA friends although I get paid less, too). I'm just confused at the rejection of some of my friends, 2 or 3 guys in particular, 1 of which is the nicest guy I know and a check airman at PCL with 4 or 5 internal SWA recs. Just weird...
 
Does any one know if you can count sole manipulator as PIC for SWA. If you can then I meet the mins and would consider Southwst.
 
Most airlines consider PIC as the one who signed for the a/c, not neccessarily the person flying the a/c. ie, your in the Left seat at all times unless you are an IOE instructor.
 
Lear70 said:
Failing 85% of the guys who are coming from successful PIC positions at other 121 carriers is a bit ludicrous.
Just weird...
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Seven THOUSAND qualified applicants??????? I don't buy that....but anyway.....

ludicrous and wierd are nice ways to put it. :D
 
capt. megadeth said:
Seven THOUSAND qualified applicants??????? I don't buy that....but anyway.....
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Why not?

How many Captains are at the regionals with over 1,300 (now 1,000) 121 PIC turbine?

How many pilots at JB, AirTran, USA3000, EOS, Maxjet, etc with that much PIC time who are still looking at making a jump for the pay and bennies?

She didn't say "competitive", she just said "qualified" which, to me, means they meet the stated mins.

ludicrous and wierd are nice ways to put it. :D
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Yeah, well... ;)
 
Lear70 said:
Why not?

How many Captains are at the regionals with over 1,300 (now 1,000) 121 PIC turbine?

How many pilots at JB, AirTran, USA3000, EOS, Maxjet, etc with that much PIC time who are still looking at making a jump for the pay and bennies?

She didn't say "competitive", she just said "qualified" which, to me, means they meet the stated mins.
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There are a lot of capts at regionals with over 1000 PIC but they don't all have their application in with SWA. I know what you are saying but with all the slackers I know, I just don't buy it. There are a lot of people out there that are qualified, but they don't all have any applications filled out due to various reasons (laziness, regional lifer, live in base and like it, etc.) and they don't all want to work at SWA (I know, it's "hard" to believe....I know but it's true). I could see 3000-4000 but 7000? I don't buy it. If they had that many, they wouldn't have any reason to lower the PIC turbine requirement.
 
capt. megadeth said:
There are a lot of capts at regionals with over 1000 PIC but they don't all have their application in with SWA. I know what you are saying but with all the slackers I know, I just don't buy it. There are a lot of people out there that are qualified, but they don't all have any applications filled out due to various reasons (laziness, regional lifer, live in base and like it, etc.) and they don't all want to work at SWA (I know, it's "hard" to believe....I know but it's true). I could see 3000-4000 but 7000? I don't buy it. If they had that many, they wouldn't have any reason to lower the PIC turbine requirement.
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You could be right,,, who knows.

Well, the people in the SW PD, but that's probably about it. :)
 
capt. megadeth said:
There are a lot of capts at regionals with over 1000 PIC but they don't all have their application in with SWA. I know what you are saying but with all the slackers I know, I just don't buy it. There are a lot of people out there that are qualified, but they don't all have any applications filled out due to various reasons (laziness, regional lifer, live in base and like it, etc.) and they don't all want to work at SWA (I know, it's "hard" to believe....I know but it's true). I could see 3000-4000 but 7000? I don't buy it. If they had that many, they wouldn't have any reason to lower the PIC turbine requirement.
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7,000 is actually DOWN substantially. When I interviewed ('04), they reported having 12,000.
 
How about allowing each 1000 of extra part 121 TT to count for 100 of TPIC?

Or maybe 1 hour of TPIC for every 2 hours of B737 TT?

Let's get back to thinking outside the box!

Please?
 
Instructordude

3Southwest Airlines defines "Pilot in Command" for the purposes of application for employment as the Pilot ultimately responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during flight. The Pilot in Command should also be the Pilot who signed for the aircraft and who is the ultimate authority for the operation of that flight. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot In Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander, Evaluator, or Instructor Pilot.

PUKE
 
GuppyWN said:
Let it go Mega. Just let it go.

Gup
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Give it up Gup. My comment has nothing to do with my other issues.

I wouldn't believe that about any airline today. I know a lot of people don't want to fly night cargo but last year we had 2000 qualified applications at UPS. That sounds more realistic.....therefore, eliminating the people that think we just slug it out all night coast to coast that are not interested, I would think you guys might have 3000-4000 tops! 7000.....NO way but whatever......maybe I am just in denial because I told my honey to apply when he gets his 1000 and I want to believe he'll have a decent shot. :D
 
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Guys,

Quit fueling the flame. Most of us realize Instructordude is only the sole manipulator of one thing, and it ain't a turbine airplane.
 
Swaayze said:
Guys,

Quit fueling the flame. Most of us realize Instructordude is only the sole manipulator of one thing, and it ain't a turbine airplane.
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Eggggxactly right... :D

Mega, I don't understand it either. UPS was the absolute HARDEST application to get into the system. Been "qualified" (2,000+ PIC turbine and 727 command time) since 2001, and even had a guy walk my stuff in once, never received a call.

Now I hear the UPS application is only available at RANDOM intervals online (no notification of when) and that if you don't have international heavy experience, you aren't considered "qualified" anymore?

I would say that severely limits the number of "qualified" resumes on file at UPS? Just a thought... ;)
 
Lear70 said:
I would say that severely limits the number of "qualified" resumes on file at UPS? Just a thought... ;)
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I agree but the 2000 number was before the wacky qualifications were changed. Now it's like 10-20 qualified applicants. ;)
 
I'm just confused at the rejection of some of my friends, 2 or 3 guys in particular, 1 of which is the nicest guy I know and a check airman at PCL with 4 or 5 internal SWA recs. Just weird...
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Happens a lot dude... You don't know how your friends interview. Sure they will tell you "it went great" but in reality - NOT.

I told my honey to apply when he gets his 1000 and I want to believe he'll have a decent shot. :D
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I wouldn't bother.
 

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