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OK, I will bite.....
What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?
You regional guys need to realize that most of you that have been hired in the past 4 years have a job because you work for less than your mainline counterparts. It is a classic pot meet kettle scenario.
Back to lurking and laughing at the riduculous arguements being made here.
A350
What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?
You regional guys need to realize that most of you that have been hired in the past 4 years have a job because you work for less than your mainline counterparts. It is a classic pot meet kettle scenario.
Back to lurking and laughing at the riduculous arguements being made here.
A350
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This might just take the cake for the stupidest post yet on this web board....
I think we are all stupider for having read it....
With kids like this now in our cockpits... I don't think it should be called a profession, because obviously they are not professionals, JUST CRYBABIES!
FLAMEBAIT FROM THE BEGINING.... FLAMEBAIT TILL THE END...
I think we are all stupider for having read it....
With kids like this now in our cockpits... I don't think it should be called a profession, because obviously they are not professionals, JUST CRYBABIES!
FLAMEBAIT FROM THE BEGINING.... FLAMEBAIT TILL THE END...
"professionals" don't join alter egos.
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Quote from A350-What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?
OK since it's flamebait anyway- Imagine your flying your pretty 737 around. Now imagine your boss wants 75's but he doesn't want to pay you what your asking to drive it. So your OWN boss starts another airline and hires me (or someone underneath you on your own seniority list) to come fly 75's at a rate below what you were asking for. You would be angry-don't tell me you wouldn't.
You would then start calling me a SCAB, even though you "choose" to keep your 2.5% and therefore waive all rights to unions although in this case you find the term suitable to YOUR needs.
Now I shall sit back and relax while you chew on that one..
OK since it's flamebait anyway- Imagine your flying your pretty 737 around. Now imagine your boss wants 75's but he doesn't want to pay you what your asking to drive it. So your OWN boss starts another airline and hires me (or someone underneath you on your own seniority list) to come fly 75's at a rate below what you were asking for. You would be angry-don't tell me you wouldn't.
You would then start calling me a SCAB, even though you "choose" to keep your 2.5% and therefore waive all rights to unions although in this case you find the term suitable to YOUR needs.
Now I shall sit back and relax while you chew on that one..
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No he works for expressjet and has 2 kids, still lives in his parents basement in SLC...
grow up mikee.
No, we have a job because you mainliners voted away hundreds of airplanes. We get paid less because if we raise the bar, YOUR mainline will just replace us with a cheaper competitor. And you mainline pilots would do nothing to stop it. Just like Horizon, ACA, Air Wisconsin, Expressjet and Comair. All high paying and all at least partailly replaced with cheaper. Did any Mainline MEC complain to their management about this practice? Nope. You just voted more planes away to the lowest bidder and then blame us for your problems.
Tool. You are the pot and the kettle.
An angry little letter from a pro blojet pilot
Forwarded to me from a buddy on airlinepilotcentral.com. This was after a "pissing match" over blojets.. Apparently his "friend" replied for him..Such anger....I added the *... It was really raw...And he speaks for all of the good men and women at Airtran... What a champ...
LISTEN TO ME C*CKSUCKA AND LISTEN GOOD!
JUST SO WERE ABSOLUTELY FCKIN CLEAR YOU LITTLE SNOT NOSED C*CKSUCKER.....THIS IS NOT PILOTARA WHO IS WRITING TO YOU RIGHT NOW...SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME BASHING HIM... COME ON AND BRING IT ON WITH US .......IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS.
YOU GOT SOME SET SPEAKING FOR A.T. AS A WHOLE WITH RESPECT AS TO WHO GETS HIRED AND WHO DOESN'T. YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR SOMEBODY HUH....U AND UR LITTLE H.R. GAL? YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR WEIGHT PULLS AROUND THERE IN ATL HUH MR. PAGE 31 ....U FCKIN TWO FACED C*CKSUCKIN QUEER. WHO THE FCK DO YOU AND UR "JETWHO" BOY THINK YOU ARE....THE PROTECTORS OF THE "POOR AND IMPOVERISHED AIRLINE PILOTS" THE "UNFAIRLY AND UN-JUSTLY TREATED" TSA DRIVERS? YOUR THE VOICE OF FCKIN REASON BATMAN? HUH? GO FCK YOURSELF U QUEER FCK....U GOT NO TIME, NO EXPERIENCE, AND SHT FOR FCKIN BRAINS AS FAR AS WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS INDUSTRY. WE GOT MORE TIME TALKING TO SHANWICK CNTROL, AND MORE TIME OVER AN OUTER MARKER THAN YOU GOT TOTAL TIME YOU FCK!
YOU WERE A PROUD MEC QUEER AT TSA HUH? BE FCKIN PROUD OF THE DISFUNCTIONAL WORK YOU DID THERE, AND KNOW THAT THE FABULOUS WORK, AND THE TREMENDOUSLY GREAT "STEERING" YOU SAY YOU DID, THAT IN ITSELF HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GOJETS CREATION. ITS CAUSE OF C*CKSUCKAS LIKE YOU THAT DONT KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE, OR WORK WITH YOUR MGMT THAT PROBLEMS ARISE. WE SUGGEST YOU BE ON YOUR BEST BEHAVIOR CXSUCKA AND HOPE THAT UR CAREER AT CITRUS EXCELS.....( U LITTLE SNOT NOSED FCK U THROW AROUND THAT WORD SCAB, AN AWFUL LOT FOR A PUNK WHO WASNT EVEN IN THE BIZ WHEN ALL THE PICKETING WAS GOING ON). SO HOPE YOU DO WELL PLAYING WITH COMPUTERS, OR MISLEADING AND BRAINWASHING YOUR GIRL THERE IN ATL YOU FCK, CAUSE AS FAR AS GOIN ANYWHERE ELSE.....I THINK UR FCKED MY MAN, I THINK THAT YOUR NAME IS NOW ON A "LITTLE BLACK LIST" ALSO YOU FCK!.....CONGRATS ON RUNNIN YOUR MOUTH IN THE RIGHT PLACES TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE! GOOD LUCK GETTIN HIRED ELSEWHERE SHOULD U NEED TO, YOU BLACKBALLED FCK!
FEW OF US HAVE THE ABILITY AND PRIVELEGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, AND RARELY IS IT DONE! BUT FOR A LOUDMOUTH LIKE YOU ITS A PLEASURE...
ENJOY UR CAREER LITTLE NAZI ....NOW HURRY AND GO RUNIN TO UR LITTLE TOY UNION U FCKIN WHINING LITTLE CRYBABY.....
KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT, AND STICK TO SWINGIN GEAR AND ENJOY IT WHILE YOU GOT IT AND AS FOR UR OTHER LITTLE NAZI BUDDY AT "JETWHO".....WELL LETS JUST SAY YOU AND HIM WILL BE REMINISCING TOGETHER ABOUT THE DAYS YOU USE TO..... "FLY IN THE SKY!"
ENJOY UR CAREER WATCHIN OVER YOUR SHOULDER U INSTIGATING TWOFACED FCK. THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A RAT IS A TWO FACED RAT, (A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHES) HUH? YOU DIDNT THINK YOU COULD HIDE YOUR TRUE COLORS FOREVER DID YOU?
KEEP RUNNIN UR MOUTH....LETS C WHERE IT TAKES U!
P.S. I WOULD THINK A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO PILOTARA,THE GJ AND TSA FOLKS WOULD BE IN ORDER HUH? MAYBE TELL THEM ABOUT WHAT A LITTLE SNOT NOSED, INSENSITIVE, HURTFUL, IGNORANT, SYCOPHANT,MANIPULATING TWO FACED LITTLE PRICK YOU ARE HUH? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL GET IN RETURN!
Forwarded to me from a buddy on airlinepilotcentral.com. This was after a "pissing match" over blojets.. Apparently his "friend" replied for him..Such anger....I added the *... It was really raw...And he speaks for all of the good men and women at Airtran... What a champ...
LISTEN TO ME C*CKSUCKA AND LISTEN GOOD!
JUST SO WERE ABSOLUTELY FCKIN CLEAR YOU LITTLE SNOT NOSED C*CKSUCKER.....THIS IS NOT PILOTARA WHO IS WRITING TO YOU RIGHT NOW...SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME BASHING HIM... COME ON AND BRING IT ON WITH US .......IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS.
YOU GOT SOME SET SPEAKING FOR A.T. AS A WHOLE WITH RESPECT AS TO WHO GETS HIRED AND WHO DOESN'T. YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR SOMEBODY HUH....U AND UR LITTLE H.R. GAL? YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR WEIGHT PULLS AROUND THERE IN ATL HUH MR. PAGE 31 ....U FCKIN TWO FACED C*CKSUCKIN QUEER. WHO THE FCK DO YOU AND UR "JETWHO" BOY THINK YOU ARE....THE PROTECTORS OF THE "POOR AND IMPOVERISHED AIRLINE PILOTS" THE "UNFAIRLY AND UN-JUSTLY TREATED" TSA DRIVERS? YOUR THE VOICE OF FCKIN REASON BATMAN? HUH? GO FCK YOURSELF U QUEER FCK....U GOT NO TIME, NO EXPERIENCE, AND SHT FOR FCKIN BRAINS AS FAR AS WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS INDUSTRY. WE GOT MORE TIME TALKING TO SHANWICK CNTROL, AND MORE TIME OVER AN OUTER MARKER THAN YOU GOT TOTAL TIME YOU FCK!
YOU WERE A PROUD MEC QUEER AT TSA HUH? BE FCKIN PROUD OF THE DISFUNCTIONAL WORK YOU DID THERE, AND KNOW THAT THE FABULOUS WORK, AND THE TREMENDOUSLY GREAT "STEERING" YOU SAY YOU DID, THAT IN ITSELF HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GOJETS CREATION. ITS CAUSE OF C*CKSUCKAS LIKE YOU THAT DONT KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE, OR WORK WITH YOUR MGMT THAT PROBLEMS ARISE. WE SUGGEST YOU BE ON YOUR BEST BEHAVIOR CXSUCKA AND HOPE THAT UR CAREER AT CITRUS EXCELS.....( U LITTLE SNOT NOSED FCK U THROW AROUND THAT WORD SCAB, AN AWFUL LOT FOR A PUNK WHO WASNT EVEN IN THE BIZ WHEN ALL THE PICKETING WAS GOING ON). SO HOPE YOU DO WELL PLAYING WITH COMPUTERS, OR MISLEADING AND BRAINWASHING YOUR GIRL THERE IN ATL YOU FCK, CAUSE AS FAR AS GOIN ANYWHERE ELSE.....I THINK UR FCKED MY MAN, I THINK THAT YOUR NAME IS NOW ON A "LITTLE BLACK LIST" ALSO YOU FCK!.....CONGRATS ON RUNNIN YOUR MOUTH IN THE RIGHT PLACES TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE! GOOD LUCK GETTIN HIRED ELSEWHERE SHOULD U NEED TO, YOU BLACKBALLED FCK!
FEW OF US HAVE THE ABILITY AND PRIVELEGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, AND RARELY IS IT DONE! BUT FOR A LOUDMOUTH LIKE YOU ITS A PLEASURE...
ENJOY UR CAREER LITTLE NAZI ....NOW HURRY AND GO RUNIN TO UR LITTLE TOY UNION U FCKIN WHINING LITTLE CRYBABY.....
KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT, AND STICK TO SWINGIN GEAR AND ENJOY IT WHILE YOU GOT IT AND AS FOR UR OTHER LITTLE NAZI BUDDY AT "JETWHO".....WELL LETS JUST SAY YOU AND HIM WILL BE REMINISCING TOGETHER ABOUT THE DAYS YOU USE TO..... "FLY IN THE SKY!"
ENJOY UR CAREER WATCHIN OVER YOUR SHOULDER U INSTIGATING TWOFACED FCK. THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A RAT IS A TWO FACED RAT, (A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHES) HUH? YOU DIDNT THINK YOU COULD HIDE YOUR TRUE COLORS FOREVER DID YOU?
KEEP RUNNIN UR MOUTH....LETS C WHERE IT TAKES U!
P.S. I WOULD THINK A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO PILOTARA,THE GJ AND TSA FOLKS WOULD BE IN ORDER HUH? MAYBE TELL THEM ABOUT WHAT A LITTLE SNOT NOSED, INSENSITIVE, HURTFUL, IGNORANT, SYCOPHANT,MANIPULATING TWO FACED LITTLE PRICK YOU ARE HUH? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL GET IN RETURN!
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You are right...mainline pilots VOTED not to do the RJ flying. Just like TSA pilots VOTED not to do the GoJet flying. The point is there is no difference between any Regional pilot and any GoJet pilot. All are doing the same thing. Don't keep listening to the sour grapes from the losers who first voted against taking the GoJet flying and then cried cause they got what they asked for.
I wouldn't complain about the 757 flying....if you are smart and the company wants to get larger airplanes, you get the flying and worry about the payrates later. It is usually harder for management to get rid of the planes once they have them. TSA pilots should have taken a lesson from their Mesa counterparts and taken the flying. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this was going. Scope clauses help but are not foolproof.
As far as the scab word, you kids need to learn the definition. Further, I would never call you a scab unless you crossed a picket line. If I used your definition of the word, every regional pilot that took a job while their mainline counterparts, their union bretheren, lost their jobs would be considered a scab.
Oh, yes, lots of mainline pilots refused to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC that I am aware of ever voted down the chance to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC is going to cry about who flies the RJ's now. No regional MEC shed a tear over the loss of mainline jobs, why should we give a rats a$$ who does the flying now? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Mainline MEC's don't negotiate for regional flying contracts last time I checked.
Union? What a joke.
A350
As far as the scab word, you kids need to learn the definition. Further, I would never call you a scab unless you crossed a picket line. If I used your definition of the word, every regional pilot that took a job while their mainline counterparts, their union bretheren, lost their jobs would be considered a scab.
Oh, yes, lots of mainline pilots refused to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC that I am aware of ever voted down the chance to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC is going to cry about who flies the RJ's now. No regional MEC shed a tear over the loss of mainline jobs, why should we give a rats a$$ who does the flying now? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Mainline MEC's don't negotiate for regional flying contracts last time I checked.
Union? What a joke.
A350
ok just for the record here is the difference between gojet/alter ego pilots and any other pilot.
ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.
A350, I think you are contradicting yourself here.
TSA "should have taken" the flying? At what price?
Aren't you the one talking about regionals screwing over the industry by flying for less?
How do you reconcile that?
TSA pilots took a stand. That is why everyone in the industry is aware of the alter ego threat and hates the gojet pilots.
redbook:
You took a stand and you ended up losing the flying....is that a success?
Perhaps my post was too thorny, but I don't fault the regional pilots for flying the jets for "less".....but I do have a big problem with those who do the flying that someone else used to do but sleep soundly and then get PO'ed when someone else does it to them. That is why I consider them to be hypocrites.
In theory, every regional airline is an "alter-ego"....
A350
You took a stand and you ended up losing the flying....is that a success?
Perhaps my post was too thorny, but I don't fault the regional pilots for flying the jets for "less".....but I do have a big problem with those who do the flying that someone else used to do but sleep soundly and then get PO'ed when someone else does it to them. That is why I consider them to be hypocrites.
In theory, every regional airline is an "alter-ego"....
A350
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AUG 2005 almost 2 years ago. That was the last public statement about GoJet from ALPA. After the NMB settled the Single Carrier Petition, and certified the Teamsters, ALPA has never spoken about it again.
So Redbook, enlighten us. was this grievance ever heard? If so how was it resolved? Clearly if ALPA was right the grievance would have resolved the issue in your favor, yet it did not. Redbook you continue to use name calling and pure BS propaganda because you have no facts to back up your claims. Once again you lose.
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September 12, 2005
Dear Trans States ALPA Member:
Some Basic Facts About a Single-Carrier Petition
The Company has stated that it intends to recognize and sign an Agreement with the Teamsters. The Teamsters will request certification from the National Mediation Board. This could happen as soon as ***** obtains its final approval from the FAA, which could occur as early as September 16. To challenge this, ALPA could file a petition to the National Mediation Board requesting that the Board find that TSA and ***** are a “single carrier” for the purposes of labor relations, and therefore ALPA should be the bargaining representative for ***** pilots.
No doubt the Company would contest this petition. You should know that the ALPA legal department is aware of only one contested single-carrier petition that has been granted by the NMB in the last 30 years. Clearly, one successful petition every 30 years is not good odds.
However, the NMB Certification Letter, Attachment 2 to the ***** Letter of Agreement, will successfully accomplish the same purpose as a single-carrier petition, because the Company will consent to it, but only through a ratified agreement.
Even if ALPA were to prevail in its single-carrier petition, it only means that ALPA would be recognized as the bargaining representative for ***** pilots. It would not mean that the TSA ALPA contract would apply to *****. In fact, there would be no Agreement at all until the ***** pilots negotiated one. It would not mean that TSA pilots would perform ***** flying. It would not mean there would be a single seniority list. The ***** pilots would be able to establish their own MEC with their own leadership and bargain for their own Agreement. Clearly, the ***** Letter of Agreement accomplishes far more than what can be accomplished by a single-carrier petition.
If the TSA pilots fail to ratify the ***** Letter of Agreement, and the single-carrier petition would fail, Trans States Holdings and ***** will have no obligation to recognize ALPA, no obligation to combine the seniority lists, no obligation to give the ***** flying to Trans States pilots, and no obstacle to transferring future growth to *****. Trans States Holdings will not be bound by the TSA Agreement, and could freely create and acquire additional carriers. This is our contract and your exclusive decision. The MEC has gone to great lengths to provide you with the facts regarding the “***** Letter of Agreement” and the risks with not capturing *****. The Trans States MEC trusts that you will make the right decision, and we promise to stand behind your decision regardless of the outcome.
Fraternally,
Captain Dario Miranda
MEC Chairman
A350,
I would hardly describe the gojet debacle a success. Does that mean that TSA pilots should not have taken a stand? No.
I don't think you could characterize regional flying for a mainline partner as the same as an airline, creating an alter ego, solely to whipsaw its own employees.
The gojet pilots knowingly joined an alter ego. Regional pilots joined a regional airline. Conflating the two doesn't work.
Theo,
because TSA holdings was able to circumvent the intent of their agreement with tsa doesn't change a thing. The gojet pilots knew they were joining an alter ego before, during and after the decision of the NMB. Simply by changing the language from Trans States Airlines to Trans States Holdings and poof.......magic.
I guess that makes it groovy now. Nope. Sorry theo, you have put yourself in the situation of joining an alter ego. You lose.
redbook:
The claims that gojets took jobs and reaped financial hardship on the TSA pilots could be the same claims that my union allowed other union pilots to replace me at my chosen profession. I suffered financially and my career took quite the dump and that was helped by the fact that the union allowed other union pilots to take my flying......
No difference in my opinion....it depends on your perspective.
I deem it hypocritical for someone to complain about their pain when they inflicted some of their own but because it is under the "auspices" of ALPA it is OK?
Nonsense.
A350
The claims that gojets took jobs and reaped financial hardship on the TSA pilots could be the same claims that my union allowed other union pilots to replace me at my chosen profession. I suffered financially and my career took quite the dump and that was helped by the fact that the union allowed other union pilots to take my flying......
No difference in my opinion....it depends on your perspective.
I deem it hypocritical for someone to complain about their pain when they inflicted some of their own but because it is under the "auspices" of ALPA it is OK?
Nonsense.
A350
A350,
I don't think I am going to change your mind on this, so I will try and avoid going round and round. You don't see any difference between regional flying contracted by a mainline carrier and an alter ego whipsaw, and I do. Perspective, as you say. I have tried to focus on the alter ego issue solely, because the gojet pilots always want to muddy the waters and say, well, we are all guilty.
That is not to say, that I feel that ALPA has handled the growth of regionals beyond turboprops, providing true "regional" feed, to the current situation in an effective manner. But is the answer to fly even Larger, 70 seat jets for worse wages, etc...?
My confusion with your argument also arises when you say "capture the flying" (or words to that effect) in a previous post. That is exactly the sentiment echoed by ALPA. I disagree. Flying those airplanes for terrible wages and work rules is not ok, even if it is, as you say, under the auspices of ALPA. Thanks for taking the time to respond, even if I disagree wholeheartedly.
redbook:
We will have to agree to disagree.....however we agree on more than you think. Flying has always been a dog eat dog world, which is why I think TSA made a tactical mistake fighting the addition of the larger jets. Get the jets and drop the hammer.
The Mesa guys should have all bid the new planes as well. It would have kept them all employed, kept them all union, and kept the group together. Instead, they put a wedge in their own group.
A tactical mistake on their advisors part perhaps.
A thank you for discussing this without talking about my mother.....
A350
We will have to agree to disagree.....however we agree on more than you think. Flying has always been a dog eat dog world, which is why I think TSA made a tactical mistake fighting the addition of the larger jets. Get the jets and drop the hammer.
The Mesa guys should have all bid the new planes as well. It would have kept them all employed, kept them all union, and kept the group together. Instead, they put a wedge in their own group.
A tactical mistake on their advisors part perhaps.
A thank you for discussing this without talking about my mother.....
A350
Whose intent was circumvented? Do you think the Holding Company planned on giving up their right to make decisions in the best interest of the company? If your union had negotiated such an agreement you would have prevailed in court or in the grievance process. You keep saying things like should have. You still don't understand that the intent is clear in agreements. It is not a technicality that allowed this it was your own union, and the pilots who voted to not do the GoJet flying when you had the chance. Now because you miscalculated in your strategy you want to use fuzzy logic of your interpretation of intent. Sorry, once again your arguments hold no logic or fact.
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Huh? Don't really get that one....
Likewise A350. I enjoyed your posts and gained from your perspective.
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