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It looks like we might be seeing a completed TA in the next month or two. I think it's vital to know what is important to you before the document comes out so you can ask specific questions during the roadshows. The NC will certainly be in favor of it, and will most likely be handing out rose colored glasses and try to blow sunshine up your a$$.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here but...Let's see:

Scope/General:
*Bind AirTran Holdings, with out that, nothing else matters. Better buyout/merger/fragmentation language.
*3year duration

Compensation:
*Without getting into specific numbers, big boost to years 1-6, moderate boost years 7-12 and a 12yr FO pay scale.
*Holiday pay premium
*Double time for all involuntary flying (reassign and all drafts)
*5hr daily minimum
*75hr guarantee for lineholders, 78hr for reserves in exchange for more industry standard reserve pay rules.
*No guarantee reduction for loss of touching trips during vacation period or CDO integration.
*Training events pay greater of missed trips or 5hrs/day.
*28hrs per week of vacation, max out at 5 weeks/yr
*Keep the LVI protections, believe me this is huge, anyone who worked here before we got this can tell you what the scheduled used to be like.

Scheduling:
*Do away with Section 5 sub-sections (general, planning, daily ops) this has been the single greatest grievance generating factor in the current contract.
*Opentime remains available until picked up or 48hrs prior to report time.
*If any company duty is properly placed on your schedule (training, trips, rsv) it is paid in full if removed involuntarily by the company.
*Online access to view true reserve coverage on any given day.
*No resv. on buildup lines, trips only, all CDO's or all regular trips, no mixing.
*No ready reserve.
*Ability to view your number for callout while sitting reserve, online access.
*Mandatory Long Call Reserve
*No changing of reserve availability periods, ever.
*Omit requirement for a resv to call sched after a trip.
*Fix SAP, allow a pilot to drop below 75hrs during SAP.
*Keep the current 12hr duty day.
*Monthly limitations on re-assignments, just like we have with DL drafts.
*Remove "extraordinary personal hardship" requirement to decline Re-assign, DL draft, JA.

Sick/LTD/OJI/Hotels/Grievance/Retirement etc:
*Increase sick time accrual to at least 5hrs/month
*Remove $5000 monthly cap on LTD.
*Remove requirement for company requested Dr note
*Remove 6 month employment requirement to use sick time.
*Remove 70hr cap on OJI benefit.
*Better quality layover hotels, list certain brands as "unacceptable"
*Optional group policy for Loss of License insurance.
*Speed up the grievance process, omit requirement for union to re-submit grievance to CPO (redundant/unnecessary), more system board meetings.
*Increase B-fund contributions 1% per year.
*Lower the insurance costs.
 
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WOW, that might be the best contract ever....GOOD LUCK

Not even close.

Let me guess, you got into this business after 9/11/01?
 
It looks like we might be seeing a completed TA in the next month or two. I think it's vital to know what is important to you before the document comes out so you can ask specific questions during the roadshows. The NC will certainly be in favor of it, and will most likely be handing out rose colored glasses and try to blow sunshine up your a$$.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here but...Let's see:

Scope/General:
*Bind AirTran Holdings, with out that, nothing else matters. Better buyout/merger/fragmentation language.
*3year duration

Compensation:
*Without getting into specific numbers, big boost to years 1-6, moderate boost years 7-12 and a 12yr FO pay scale.
*Holiday pay premium
*Double time for all involuntary flying (reassign and all drafts)
*5hr daily minimum
*75hr guarantee for lineholders, 78hr for reserves in exchange for more industry standard reserve pay rules.
*No guarantee reduction for loss of touching trips during vacation period or CDO integration.
*Training events pay greater of missed trips or 5hrs/day.
*28hrs per week of vacation, max out at 5 weeks/yr
*Keep the LVI protections, believe me this is huge, anyone who worked here before we got this can tell you what the scheduled used to be like.

Scheduling:
*Do away with Section 5 sub-sections (general, planning, daily ops) this has been the single greatest grievance generating factor in the current contract.
*Opentime remains available until picked up or 48hrs prior to report time.
*If any company duty is properly placed on your schedule (training, trips, rsv) it is paid in full if removed involuntarily by the company.
*Online access to view true reserve coverage on any given day.
*No resv. on buildup lines, trips only, all CDO's or all regular trips, no mixing.
*No ready reserve.
*Ability to view your number for callout while sitting reserve, online access.
*Mandatory Long Call Reserve
*No changing of reserve availability periods, ever.
*Omit requirement for a resv to call sched after a trip.
*Fix SAP, allow a pilot to drop below 75hrs during SAP.
*Keep the current 12hr duty day.
*Monthly limitations on re-assignments, just like we have with DL drafts.
*Remove "extraordinary personal hardship" requirement to decline Re-assign, DL draft, JA.

Sick/LTD/OJI/Hotels/Grievance/Retirement etc:
*Increase sick time accrual to at least 5hrs/month
*Remove $5000 monthly cap on LTD.
*Remove requirement for company requested Dr note
*Remove 6 month employment requirement to use sick time.
*Remove 70hr cap on OJI benefit.
*Better quality layover hotels, list certain brands as "unacceptable"
*Optional group policy for Loss of License insurance.
*Speed up the grievance process, omit requirement for union to re-submit grievance to CPO (redundant/unnecessary), more system board meetings.
*Increase B-fund contributions 1% per year.
*Lower the insurance costs.





How many airlines have you gone through? How many more do you want to go through befor you retire?
 
How many airlines have you gone through? How many more do you want to go through befor you retire?

Answer to question #1...1
Answer to question#2....0

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My questions to you flame thrower...

#1. If pilot salaries/compensation determine the financial strength and vitality of an airline, as you alluded to, why are Midway, Vanguard, National, Western Pacific and Independence not still around?

#2. Who is the highest paying/best compensated passenger airline in the US? (hint, they're also the most profitable, never furloughed, been around for decades, continue to expand, and they paint their airplanes brown and orange).

#3. Aren't you the same guy who said "looks like another 2 years without a contract" when it was announced that AP won the last presidential election?

I can answer #3 for you...yes, you did ...You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

Give it a rest firebug, if you're happy being a bottom feeder, please go somewhere else.
 
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Answer to question #1...1
Answer to question#2....0

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My questions to you flame thrower...

#1. If pilot salaries/compensation determine the financial strength and vitality of an airline, as you alluded to, why are Midway, Vanguard, National, Western Pacific and Independence not still around?

#2. Who is the highest paying/best compensated passenger airline in the US? (hint, they're also the most profitable, never furloughed, been around for decades, continue to expand, and they paint their airplanes brown and orange).

#3. Aren't you the same guy who said "looks like another 2 years without a contract" when it was announced that AP won the last presidential election?

I can answer #3 for you...yes, you did ...You were wrong then, and you're wrong now.

Give it a rest firebug, if you're happy being a bottom feeder, please go somewhere else.


Do you really think AP or anyone at the NPA had anything to do with the company starting to negoiate? Or, was it the fuel hedges and great bookings and increased fares?
 

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