Avantair Monkey Radio

[se1776]

My friend told me that because of that gear incident the First Officers are no longer to fly the airplane with passanger on board only on empty legs.

this are thier hire mins.
Piaggio Avanti P180 First Officers[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]avantair Piaggio Avanti P180 First Officers avantair is continuing to experience exciting rapid growth. [/FONT]

Minimums requirements:
- Airline Transport Pilot
- 2500 Total Time,
- 1000 Multi-engine
- 250 Instruments
- 100 recent hi speed multi engine turbine or type rating
- 250 Hours in the past 12 months
- Airline Transport Pilot
- First Class Medical
- US Passport and copy of birth certificate
- FCC Restricted Radio/Telephone Permit
Benefits include: 30K Salary ...

for what to be a monkey radio give me a break.
Any new guy thinking of going there be carefull you have to change the oil and you'll have a great experience on flaps and the gear handle.

Anyway mi friend is quiting......

 

[Guitar Guy]

If that's indeed the case, there are other places hiring people with 2500 TT and an ATP, inside and out of the fractional industry.

 

[BoeingBaller]

Dont forget not allowed to fly legs within a metro area empty or not!!What a joke....There are many VERY qualified FOs there what a slap in the face..

 

[johnsonrod]

I would expect Netjets to be getting a lot of resumes soon........

 

[Flybet3]

Anyway mi friend is quiting......

Sadly he's not the only one leaving. Apparently alot of people have been leaving. I had 2 friends recently leave prior to their 1 year training contract. It's really sad to hear that.

 

[johnsonrod]

Sadly he's not the only one leaving. Apparently alot of people have been leaving. I had 2 friends recently leave prior to their 1 year training contract. It's really sad to hear that.

Were they leaving for the above stated reason or for other factors? Clearly, this type of flying (wide variety of unfamiliar destinations, long days in a tight cockpit, etc.) and the week on/week off schedule isn't for everyone I would imagine. Did they move on to other fractionals? Surprised they wouldn't stay until at least the one-year mark...

 

[se1776]

I don’t think Avantair management realize that there is a lot of opportunities for these FO’s in the industry Flying a bigger and better equipment. I mean is a Piaggio that’s a single pilot airplane if you look at it
Well for all of you guy thinking of going there be careful you’ll be better of going to a regional airline.

 

[Flybet3]

Were they leaving for the above stated reason or for other factors? Clearly, this type of flying (wide variety of unfamiliar destinations, long days in a tight cockpit, etc.) and the week on/week off schedule isn't for everyone I would imagine. Did they move on to other fractionals? Surprised they wouldn't stay until at least the one-year mark...

One guy left to a Legacy, the other left for a better (and I mean better) paying job with much better schedule, the 3rd guy left b/c he wasnt a big fan of the schedule and leave of absence policies. Then the "older" employees that left were a few captains i knew.

 

[CherryBomb]

I'm not sure yet, but I'm gonna have to call a big BS on this one... I might be wrong.


People have left in the past. I think its mostly due to the fact that alot of Avantair guys are exairline and they just want back in jets. Others are still time building and they want turboJET PIC and not turboPROP PIC.

I don't hear too many complaints about management. Just go over to the regionals board if you wanna hear that stuff...

 

[Dilligaff]

Unfortunately, this is true. This policy didn't come down from the DO or CP or anyone who has operational knowledge, it came from the lawyers who run the place. The policy fixes nothing, it just punishes a group of good people.

I was at an FBO the other day where we had three crews waiting to depart. The FO's were not happy about the policy and were all talking about leaving (I don't blame them - it really is a slap in the face).

Dilligaff

 

[D_G]

My friend told me that because of that gear incident the First Officers are no longer to fly the airplane with passanger on board only on empty legs.

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I'm confused, what does a gear up crash have to do with the FO flying?

 

[johnsonrod]

Doesn't Netjets have a policy where FOs can't fly legs with pax onboard? I guess I am a bit slow - did Avantair have a policy where FOs could fly any leg with or without pax? Can't the FOs still fly the empty legs?

 

[x402]

After a FO has 50 hrs in type, he may, at the PIC's descretion, fly pax legs from the right seat.
99% of PIC's swap legs, but there is that 1%.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Doesn't Netjets have a policy where FOs can't fly legs with pax onboard?

That was apparently the company policy years ago, but it's not that way anymore, as x402 explained.

 

[CherryBomb]

I'm not sure yet, but I'm gonna have to call a big BS on this one... I might be wrong.

Well, I was wrong... I just couldn't see how Avantair could do this to us.

Anyone have the number to that truck driving school???

 

[johnsonrod]

I guess I am trying to understand what the big deal is here. Not trying to flame.

If the Avantair FOs fly all of the empty legs or repositioning flights, wouldn't that still add up to maybe a leg or two per day? Sure, that's not ideal because you would want the flexibility to fly the aircraft when you want but still not too bad considering you are training on the aircraft - somebody has to man the radios... If upgrade time is running at 1-2 years, you wouldn't have to wait too long to fly the majority of the flights - right? I guess as long as I would be flying most of the empty legs or repositioning flights I personally would be OK with it so long as the upgrade time was not too long (I could compensate with more than enough legs when I upgrade to PIC).

I guess I am surprised that many FOs would be so upset as to consider quitting in the near term given the relatively quick upgrade time... What is the ugrade time running nowadays?

 

[BoeingBaller]

I guess I am trying to understand what the big deal is here. Not trying to flame.

If the Avantair FOs fly all of the empty legs or repositioning flights, wouldn't that still add up to maybe a leg or two per day? Sure, that's not ideal because you would want the flexibility to fly the aircraft when you want but still not too bad considering you are training on the aircraft - somebody has to man the radios... If upgrade time is running at 1-2 years, you wouldn't have to wait too long to fly the majority of the flights - right? I guess as long as I would be flying most of the empty legs or repositioning flights I personally would be OK with it so long as the upgrade time was not too long (I could compensate with more than enough legs when I upgrade to PIC).

I guess I am surprised that many FOs would be so upset as to consider quitting in the near term given the relatively quick upgrade time... What is the ugrade time running nowadays?

No pax legs plus no legs in a metro area empty or not.So how do you tell a guy that flew a 767, 777, 747 at some major airline(like many FOs there have) that he is not allowed to fly this empty leg into ATL because it is a metro airport.In a airplane that does not require a type no less!!!

 

[CherryBomb]

The minimums at Avantair are some of the highest in the industry.

A friggin 300 hour regional FO can fly an RJ with 50 plus people on board, but we cant fly and d@mn tuboprop with 6 people?!?!?!?

This is an insult at the utmost....

 

[Flybet3]

The minimums at Avantair are some of the highest in the industry.

A friggin 300 hour regional FO can fly an RJ with 50 plus people on board, but we cant fly and d@mn tuboprop with 6 people?!?!?!?

This is an insult at the utmost....

Yes it is, especially when the recent new hires have not had less than 2500TT!! shoot, I remember that in my class i was the lowest time guy (2800TT with a bunch of turbine!), 1 3800 hour guy, 2 ex ACA guys with around 6000 hours, 1 ex marine with 5500 hours, 1 Beech 1900 driver with around 7000 hours, and a retired MD11 guy with like 18000 hours! and you're telling me that these guys can't fly the pax legs or metro areas b/c they might not know how to handle a slow peace of SH*T turboprop. PLEASE!!! yeah it's a fast prop in cruise! and true airspeed, but down low or in a climb that thing makes me want to cut my wrists!! man I love the Lear!

 

[johnsonrod]

If enough FOs leave I am betting that the lawyers get a "change of heart" directed by senior management. Yeah, I agree that the new rule would be ridiculous...